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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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Note this paragraph from the article "Mr Morrison said: "Eventually I came up to a roundabout which slowed the car down to about 15mph and the police van was waiting for me on the other side. "I went into the back of the van while it was moving, before they put on the brakes to stop me." The front end of the car looks undamaged. It looks like collision avoidance emergency braking was activated. |
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Glad I still have my wife's near-analog Z3. One of, if not the last of, the drive-by-cable BMWs.
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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Cliff on right side Bunch of blind orphaned children with down syndrome on left side of road getting of their special needs bus You brakes have malfunctioned and the AI autopilot need to make a decision Does it plow into the children or kill you by going off the cliff |
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E-brake on my 2021 Model Y works the same as it did on my 2015 Corvette and my 2023 BMW M2. All 3 are just buttons. Nothing to do with the drivetrain |
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The handbrake or lack of a handbrake is not exclusive to the EV. Plenty of ICE vehicles also have an electronic handbrake. Quote:
There are plenty of ICE vehicles that are push button start and an electronic drive mode selector. These are not EV exclusive features. Quote:
[EDIT: Apologies, I had a zoom meeting, so I didn't have time to expand on this thought until now:] However, for argument's sake let's imagine a scenario, regardless of how unlikely, that the regenerative braking system somehow caused the brakes to fail:
These unsubstantiated assumptions are counterproductive and undermine the overall credibility of the anti-EV sentiment in this thread. It's difficult for anyone with sound reason outside of the filter bubble to take these arguments seriously. This is why these echo chambers are so attractive. It provides validation for very little actual worth.
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[QUOTE=jmg;30545492]The handbrake or lack of a handbrake is not exclusive to the EV. Plenty of ICE vehicles also have an electronic handbrake.
---------------------------------- Sure . But we expect it to slow the car down and stop it eventually. |
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There are dozens of reasons why brakes fail on vehicles, both ICE and EV, but to jump to the conclusion that it must be because the car is an EV is just another example of confirmation bias.
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As KRS suggested it could be connected to software that had a glitch exclusive only to an EV. |
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The story sounds like it was out of control for at least an hour if not more. It also doesn't mention (I didn't read every post) how the car was disabled, not just stopped, in the end, by the police officer. I guess driving into the side of the curb to slow down doesn't work anymore with these monstrous SUV wheels.
We've heard the stories with Toyotas and floor mats, this sounds a bit different as it was a steady slower speed (cruise control). Why would the carmaker allow the operating system to have full control over the brakes without redundancies or a kill switch is another question. |
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More EV hell and I don't suppose charging machines take cash, no thought not.
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I edited my post as you were replying so I will include it here because I think it still applies: Quote:
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In the case of an electronic handbrake, implementation is the same in an EV and an ICE. A handbrake software glitch is just as possible in an ICE just as it is an EV. Quote:
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Evidence #1: "An ICE without Adaptive cruise control might not develop a software glitch that makes it keep going at 30mph" An ICE with AAC could develop this glitch, so this doesn't establish this as an issue exclusive to the EV. Evidence #2: "Also brake failures don't keep.a car going at 30mph for long" For argument's sake, let's imagine this is true (it is not). This statement only speculated that there is likely more than just brake failure to blame in this scenario, but does not state what that could be, nor does it state a reason that is exclusive to the EV. Conclusion: "This sounds like a software specific issue and EV are full of software etc.." After two statements that do not establish this as an issue exclusive to the EV, KRS jumps to the conclusion that it is exclusive to the EV. To an echo chamber eager to reach the favorable conclusion, this might sound like a good argument, but it doesn't hold under scrutiny. The "evidence" is completely disconnected from the conclusion. It's a non sequitur, and it fails to provide any coherent support for your argument.
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"More"... really? There is absolutely nothing new in this article, yet you are presenting this as a new outrageous problem and mounting evidence to support you bias. Yet, this has been discussed several times in this thread with valid points brought up by BOTH sides. Bringing this up as if this is new information indicates either poor memory or intellectual dishonesty. In other words, they are either not capable of retaining the information, or are pretending to not retain the information. Both undermines credibility.
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