Help? buy new 2013 E92 M3 left over or new 2015 M4?

JL M3 · 09-10-2014, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gmcconn535

Your mind is made up. Why waste people's time by asking for help.

Seriously...OP has a counter arguement for everyone's suggestion the m4.

What a joke

M3er · 09-10-2014, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JL M3

Seriously...OP has a counter arguement for everyone's suggestion the m4.

What a joke

the issue is more that I simply didn't receive any suggestion for an M3 to counter-argue it.
I don't think I am arguing though -rather looking to discuss.
If I wanted the M3 all the way I wouldn't have the thread.

4MULA_1 · 09-10-2014, 11:06 PM

Man seems like something has happened in your last E92 for you to be attached to it so much, must be bringing back some memories

If the old model isn't heavily discounted, its a no brainer...you'd be crazy not to get the M4! Heck just the updated iDrive makes me not want to get a car with the older iDrive.

solstice · 09-10-2014, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by M3er

Solstice! how is it going man
I am entirely shocked with your words but THANK YOU! very valuable indeed.
I would appreciate if someone like you could explain a little more in depth how did you change schools?

What does someone like yourself, like in the M4 more than the M3 ? for example the torque?.

1. The F80 is really fun to drive. The chassi and suspension is awesome. Tauter and more communicative than the E90 while being even more planted and stable. The engine generates serious power., you've seen the dynos and it can be felt.

2. The F80 fit my needs.

3. The F80 is a change and something new. It looks new and feels fresh. Even when I own a superb car like the E90 I crave something else after around 4 years. Preferably something different but still very good. That's the F80 for me. If I hadn't owned the E90 M3 already I would have missed out and would love it even if it's an older car but old is old, not worse but old nevertheless and it does matter some.

M3er · 09-10-2014, 11:16 PM

yes indeed--old M3 was traded after warranty expired on mileage.

Actually, I resisted to buy the 'same' car waiting for the new M4 to come up only to discover the feeling of electric steering that is not horrible but ok...lets don't touch this issue as it is sensitive for the whole industry

new i drive rocks!

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Originally Posted by 4MULA_1

Man seems like something has happened in your last E92 for you to be attached to it so much, must be bringing back some memories

If the old model isn't heavily discounted, its a no brainer...you'd be crazy not to get the M4! Heck just the updated iDrive makes me not want to get a car with the older iDrive.

SakhirM4 · 09-10-2014, 11:17 PM

OP, what you are seeing is the difference between the E9X forum people and the F8X people.

The E9X people thrive on trashing the F8X. The F8X people don't trash the E9X. So, the F8X people are telling you that the decision is yours. They are not going to tell you that the E9X is crap and you should buy the F8X. They are going to tell you that the F8X is greatly improved over the E9X, but they are both good cars.

Therefore, OP, the decision is yours. Only you can make that decision.

M3er · 09-10-2014, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by solstice

1. Even when I own a superb car like the E90 I crave something else after around 4 years. Preferably something different but still very good.

Agreed- I think if I go with M4 this would be the primary reason...
I took a break from the M3 for a few months and then I missed it (A LOT)
but then again, when its continuous 4 years like in your case, you need a change even if you are in a rocket ship :P
I mean what if In a few months I get 'bored' like you again ?

M3er · 09-10-2014, 11:27 PM

[QUOTE=gmcconn535;16614423]OP, what you are seeing is the difference between the E9X forum people and the F8X people.

The E9X people thrive on trashing the F8X.

-->So true...

The F8X people don't trash the E9X. So, the F8X people are telling you that the decision is yours. They are not going to tell you that the E9X is crap and you should buy the F8X. They are going to tell you that the F8X is greatly improved over the E9X, but they are both good cars.

--> Even more True...

Therefore, OP, the decision is yours. Only you can make that decision.

-->Maybe I go for another brand then?

I am so undecided that I get a feeling I may not like then decision on either car in the end.
The M3 because I had it and is overpriced, and the M4 because its so 'soft' and comfy overall... But maybe I am wrong I don't know...I really hope the M4 will be tight on the long run
--I mean If Solstice is happy...hands down!

solstice · 09-10-2014, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by M3er

Agreed- I think if I go with M4 this would be the primary reason...
I took a break from the M3 for a few months and then I missed it (A LOT)
but then again, when its continuous 4 years like in your case, you need a change even if you are in a rocket ship :P
I mean what if In a few months I get 'bored' like you again ?

I went from black to white paint, from silver to black wheels and from DCT to MT to make the difference even bigger to make it feel really fresh, new and different for me. Not because I didn't like the E90 I absolutely adored it but I want to feel like a get something new for my dollars. My E90 was in perfect mechanical conditions and without any significant cosmetic issues. A new E90 would have felt like spending money to get exactly the same car.

M3guy3 · 09-10-2014, 11:32 PM

I feel the F80 is overall a great car. I would probably get one if it was a reworked S65 v8 engine that had the same power the S55 has. Personally i cannot accept going from a screaming N/A V8 to a downsized engine with two turbos. while many people can because they like the power and some even like the sound. It works for them, and i would never trash talk the F80 in person either. Its a hell of a performance car.

IMO if you like or can deal with the new turbo 6 cylinder engine, then i would get the F80. Its that simple.

Honestly i wouldnt recommend either car though. the F80`s engine doesn't have emotion, sound like crap. the E92 is going to be dated.

SakhirM4 · 09-10-2014, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by M3er

the M4 because its so 'soft' and comfy overall... But maybe I am wrong I don't know

I owned a 2006 Dinan M3 for eight years before I got my M4. Owning an M4, of course makes me biased, but 'soft' is never a word I would use to define the M4. The M4 is planted, has gobs of torque, is extremely fast and handles better than the E46 ever did. Luxurious - yes. Soft - absolutely not!

M3er · 09-10-2014, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by solstice

I went from black to white paint, from silver to black wheels and from DCT to MT to make the difference even bigger to make it feel really fresh, new and different for me. Not because I didn't like the E90 I absolutely adored it but I want to feel like a get something new for my dollars. My E90 was in perfect mechanical conditions and without any significant cosmetic issues. A new E90 would have felt like spending money to get exactly the same car.

I agree all the way Solstice,

Major things that I got from this thread so far:

1) MSRP on a 2013 maybe ridiculous?
2) M4 is a first generation and maybe I should wait for the second?
lets see what else we can get...

M3er · 09-10-2014, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by gmcconn535

I owned a 2006 Dinan M3 for eight years before I got my M4. Owning an M4, of course makes me biased, but 'soft' is never a word I would use to define the M4. The M4 is planted, has gobs of torque, is extremely fast and handles better than the E46 ever did. Luxurious - yes. Soft - absolutely not!

Ok I take back the 'soft' lets just say planted but very isolated at the same time?
too easy to handle?
like the steering and clutch -- are 'softies'?

M3guy3 · 09-10-2014, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gmcconn535

Again, as I said before, you have already made your decision, so why waste peoples time with this thread?

you realize i gave the F80 a lot of good points though right?

its very clear. Its a really nice car, and if you can "deal" or like the engine. there is no reason not to get the car. is that not a fair thing to say about any car ?

M3er · 09-10-2014, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by M3guy3

you realize i gave the F80 a lot of good points though right?

its very clear. Its a really nice car, and if you can "deal" or like the engine. there is no reason not to get the car. is that not a fair thing to say about any car ?

I guess another question would be if the M4 maintains that glimpse of exotic behaviour the previous E92 car had ?
this was obviously the engine but still, for me the fundamental problem maybe the steering and the isolation.

M3guy3 · 09-10-2014, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by M3er

Hmm..I think you refer to some other OP on different thread?
I never said that. Well the idea of the whole industry transferring to turbos
maybe not attractive for all, but not catastrophic -- like this guy seems to think...

if you are a drive+ member on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfb...BH2djzLLCPTmXg

you should watch this video. "Living with a Ferrari FF - Chris Harris on Cars"

Then click 7 minutes into the video. because everyone seems to like chris harris. you can get his quick thoughts on turbos going into the future. like i said, if you can deal with it. get the F80.

SakhirM4 · 09-10-2014, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by M3er

Hmm..I think you refer to some other OP on different thread?
I never said that. Well the idea of the whole industry transferring to turbos
maybe not attractive for all, but not catastrophic -- like this guy seems to think...

Yes, my mistake - sorry.

consolidated · 09-10-2014, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gmcconn535

Again, as I said before, you have already made your decision, so why waste peoples time with this thread?

OP, harden the fuck up and buy the E92. Don't waste your time on the soulless, disconnected, built-by-drunken-Eastern Europeans F8X.

ridin135 · 09-11-2014, 06:30 AM

I personally like the linear pull of the e9x more then the f8x but this is only experienced when driving at wot. For a daily driver the f8x is much better and overall is an upgrade in every aspect, especially brakes. Like others have said if the e92 was discounted severely it would be a harder decision but at msrp it's a no brainer to go with the M4. If you really want a e92 look at a slightly used one so you don't take such a huge finacial hit that you will never get back.

///MCFC · 09-11-2014, 07:41 AM

e92 at msrp. lolz.

Damasconian · 09-11-2014, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JL M3

When I read your post, I was waiting for you to say the e92 was discounted heavily...like 15-20k or something. Even if it were discounted that much, I would probably still take the m4.

I've owned both (well not the m4, but the f80), and there is no comparison.

This is correct. But would even a 15K discount get us M3/4 buyers to move off the current model? For most I would suspect the answer would still be no.

Boxtyp3 · 09-11-2014, 09:17 AM

I've heared this same issue when the E92 just came out. That it's too big, it's not as nimble as the E46, it's not a driver's car as the E46, bla, bla, bla. And now, this(again). I bet 10 years from now, it all comes down to performance and not on the financial value of both. They're both great cars don't get me wrong. But from what you're saying, the E92 being considered, you are leaning on E92. Just a thought.

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M3er Private First Class 17 Rep 187 Posts Drives: M3,911S Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: MA iTrader: (0)	[QUOTE=gmcconn535;16614423]OP, what you are seeing is the difference between the E9X forum people and the F8X people. The E9X people thrive on trashing the F8X. -->So true... The F8X people don't trash the E9X. So, the F8X people are telling you that the decision is yours. They are not going to tell you that the E9X is crap and you should buy the F8X. They are going to tell you that the F8X is greatly improved over the E9X, but they are both good cars. --> Even more True... Therefore, OP, the decision is yours. Only you can make that decision. -->Maybe I go for another brand then? I am so undecided that I get a feeling I may not like then decision on either car in the end. The M3 because I had it and is overpriced, and the M4 because its so 'soft' and comfy overall... But maybe I am wrong I don't know...I really hope the M4 will be tight on the long run --I mean If Solstice is happy...hands down!
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M3guy3 Captain 131 Rep 690 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: May 2014 Location: Michigan iTrader: (0)	I feel the F80 is overall a great car. I would probably get one if it was a reworked S65 v8 engine that had the same power the S55 has. Personally i cannot accept going from a screaming N/A V8 to a downsized engine with two turbos. while many people can because they like the power and some even like the sound. It works for them, and i would never trash talk the F80 in person either. Its a hell of a performance car. IMO if you like or can deal with the new turbo 6 cylinder engine, then i would get the F80. Its that simple. Honestly i wouldnt recommend either car though. the F80`s engine doesn't have emotion, sound like crap. the E92 is going to be dated.
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ridin135 Colonel 131 Rep 2,408 Posts Drives: Depends on the day Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Greenville iTrader: (7)	I personally like the linear pull of the e9x more then the f8x but this is only experienced when driving at wot. For a daily driver the f8x is much better and overall is an upgrade in every aspect, especially brakes. Like others have said if the e92 was discounted severely it would be a harder decision but at msrp it's a no brainer to go with the M4. If you really want a e92 look at a slightly used one so you don't take such a huge finacial hit that you will never get back.
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