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This thing will eat M4's for lunch at the track, M6's for dinner on a drag strip and crap it all out over the i8. Phenomenal. BMW has already conceded defeat against 911 competitors such as the Viper and Vette, but you'd at least expect them to be ahead of a Camaro..
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BMW is getting left behind. I sure hope they are investing in newer technology when it comes to driving dynamics because they are getting beat at what they used to be known for. I know when I'm ready to let go of my M3, there will be many superior options out there that aren't BMW brands.
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Well, the last SS was about 3900, ZL1 trim added another 200lbs or so, and auto trans added around 200 on that. Now, the new one is trimmer, but I think you're probably still looking at a 4000+ car with the ZL1. Haven't seen a weight yet, but nimble is usually more fun than raw power, except for a straight line. I'd probably go SS 1LE before ZL1 and Z28 before ZL1. I wouldn't say the same with a Corvette or Porsche, when looking at the higher power models of those cars, because the big weight penalty isn't usually there.
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http://media.chevrolet.com/content/m...Camaro-ZL1.pdf 4,120 lbs (manual) vs 4,149 (auto). GM says the new ZL1 is 200 pounds lighter that the 5th gen which should put the 6th gen under 4,000 lbs. Motor Trend claims around 3,850 Last edited by CirrusSR22; 03-19-2016 at 02:15 PM.. |
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Still the performance numbers of even the ss are almost crazy for the dollar. The ZL1 is going to be a whole other level. Last edited by Mike00; 03-20-2016 at 09:02 AM.. |
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Unfortunately I have not seen in RL as they are not that popular over here in the Netherlands, maybe because they cost the Dutch a bizallion euros. I will have to try and find one on a trip back to the USA.
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I here ya...but it's actually functional.....those large openings and silhouette bow-tie keep that beast cool....lot of Z06 owners have complained of overheating, fighting heatsoak.....doesn't look like you will have the same problem here....
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If you listen to the on track video the car never shifts more than 3 times, even on the long straight. So why have 10 gears unless there is a fuel saving program that uses different ratios. If that is the case a simple Gear Vendors type overdrive would seem a much better solution. I can't imagine how much a transmission rebuild is on 10sp, and it's going to see that kind of service at some point.
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All you guys and love of your automatics... :
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Not really a valid point, that's probably true about most cars on a track, 2nd 3rd and 4th are probably all that's really used, on cars with 7spd manuals or 8spd autos. Doesn't GM have the quickest shifting auto too? My LS3 loved to purr around 1000rpm, would do it all day long. Got pretty amazing gas mileage doing so too. Although it was around 1500 at 65mph, you can probably get the thing down closer to 1000rpm with the right gear ratio, because these engines are so torque-rich. The only disadvantage of course is you will lug up hills sometimes with the RPM that low (but you'd be amazed what you can pull out of too), having more gears will make it so this isn't an issue (auto trans) without jumping to much higher RPM than needed.
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doesn't surprise me that chevy's answer to "higher performance" is adding more power and completely ignoring the weight problem in this car.
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It's still a Chevy though, despite the impressive numbers. I've had a few bad experiences driving chevys (not that I've ever owned one), from keys pulling out while the ignition was on driving down the road (yes the wheel locked, but the car kept rolling), to doing a quick drift/burn out in a Camaro only to have it shut off with a dash full of x-mas tree lights while I managed to roll it off to the side of the road in drive. Granted these were lower end cars in their line, but in general, I wouldn't touch it, there is an old adage of 'you get what you pay for'. Although I'll admit I have a soft spot for the '17 Zora ZR1
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i was pretty bummed when i didn't place in the contest even though i lost 6lbs of fat and gained 5 lbs of muscle in a 60 day period. i saw a picture of the winner the other day. i'm not bashing, bad-mouthing, or putting down this guy in any way, but he had much more weight to lose, and probably gained much more muscle as he began to find his inner motive to take the contest seriously. and good on him! i'm happy for him and hope he continues on this path. but i didn't lose because i did great, i lost because someone else had more to work with. the above was longer-winded than i anticipated, but what i'm trying to say is the camaro probably had much more weight to lose to begin with, and it probably wasn't that hard.
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