Baton Rouge Police Shooting - New Footage Released (Graphic)

csu87 · 07-07-2016, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Haywood

Guys, the think the police shooting in MN is worse. This is absolutely horrific. The guy told the officer that he had a permit to carry a weapon and he was just reaching for his wallet. No priors, steady job so he doesn't fit the narrative of being a thug. This is a really tough one to watch.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/fal...ota/index.html

Yeah this one is inexcusable. Not only did he declare he was a legal carrier, they then handcuff the mom and daughter and make them sit in the back of the police cruiser

Verbiage · 07-07-2016, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Haywood

Guys, the think the police shooting in MN is worse. This is absolutely horrific. The guy told the officer that he had a permit to carry a weapon and he was just reaching for his wallet. No priors, steady job so he doesn't fit the narrative of being a thug. This is a really tough one to watch.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/fal...ota/index.html

Yeah. That one is especially graphic. And a counter to the typical stereotype.

My assumption is that he gave the warning of carrying because the officer would have seen it anyway. Under which circumstance, he probably would have been shot, regardless.

csu87 · 07-07-2016, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Verbiage

You're missing the point.

I can understand that. However, I'm not taking the media's approach. I'm black. I understand that many times, it seems as though the antagonizing is real and things are warranted.

And to answer your point, it was an alternative scenario. Not saying anyone shouldn't go home to their families. Also sounds like you're missing the point, too.

What was your point? One cop life and one criminal life is better than 1 criminal life?

Verbiage · 07-07-2016, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by grimlock

that being a different skin color means you're subjected to a different standard?
welcome to the world? i dunno

i thought u knew all this, how hard are you balling it up in the tinder thread?

No. No one is incriminating white folks, or saying that they aren't subject to crimes. Skin color is honestly irrelevant, as you are the one who brought that up.

insanecoder · 07-07-2016, 09:11 AM

These cops need to be prosecuted to the fullest
If people see no justice then they will not follow the judicial system
another example of this is Hillary Clinton
clearly this criminal is above the law.. others get imprisoned for alot less than what she did yet she gets NOTHING

Verbiage · 07-07-2016, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by csu87

What was your point? One cop life and one criminal life is better than 1 criminal life?

No. The point of the post was to illuminate the action itself, a correlation of actions and events that have taken place to highlight the generalized direction in which the action of law enforcement has taken toward the public, much of the time being African Americans.

The insinuation of the value of life being a determining characteristic truly speaks to the biases held in this situation. It's pretty sad.

grimlock · 07-07-2016, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by csu87

Yeah this one is inexcusable. Not only did he declare he was a legal carrier, they then handcuff the mom and daughter and make them sit in the back of the police cruiser

There may be plenty of reasons why the cops acted as they did.
Don't you think in this day and age, with a BLACK president ANYBODY would be incredibly careful not to blatantly racial abuse anyone?

Prob the cop couldn't hear with the radio/street noise, not to mention the bitch is playing with her phone trying to be an internet sensation rather than not act suspiciously (which is the responsibility of ALL people regardless of color).

Nobody should need black people being killed by cops to spark outrage, racial bias is blatantly obvious every waking second.. does not everybody know, or people have just forgotten, or wish it were otherwise?

grimlock · 07-07-2016, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Verbiage

No. No one is incriminating white folks, or saying that they aren't subject to crimes. Skin color is honestly irrelevant, as you are the one who brought that up.

Okay, if we are not talking about skin color, are we only talking about police brutality?

You have to be explicit about these things.

csu87 · 07-07-2016, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Verbiage

Yeah. That one is especially graphic. And a counter to the typical stereotype.

My assumption is that he gave the warning of carrying because the officer would have seen it anyway. Under which circumstance, he probably would have been shot, regardless.

He probably gave the warning because that is what you are taught, not because he was worried about being shot. For every dumb cop like this one, there are hundreds who deal with minority open/concealed carry stops where they don't shoot anyone.

Everytime I've been stopped while carrying, my hands are out the window while I'm telling them im carrying.

kprocivic · 07-07-2016, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by grimlock

There may be plenty of reasons why the cops acted as they did.
Don't you think in this day and age, with a BLACK president ANYBODY would be incredibly careful not to blatantly racial abuse anyone?

Prob the cop couldn't hear with the radio/street noise, not to mention the bitch is playing with her phone trying to be an internet sensation rather than not act suspiciously (which is the responsibility of ALL people regardless of color).

Nobody should need black people being killed by cops to spark outrage, racial bias is blatantly obvious every waking second.. does not everybody know, or people have just forgotten, or wish it were otherwise?

You sound like a racist.

Verbiage · 07-07-2016, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by insanecoder

These cops need to be prosecuted to the fullest
If people see no justice then they will not follow the judicial system
another example of this is Hillary Clinton
clearly this criminal is above the law.. others get imprisoned for alot less than what she did yet she gets NOTHING

Agreed. Although, the context is much different and the actions are much more blatant, whereas politics is an arena that requires a scrutinized area of focal points.

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Originally Posted by grimlock

There may be plenty of reasons why the cops acted as they did.
Don't you think in this day and age, with a BLACK president ANYBODY would be incredibly careful not to blatantly racial abuse anyone?

Prob the cop couldn't hear with the radio/street noise, not to mention the bitch is playing with her phone trying to be an internet sensation rather than not act suspiciously (which is the responsibility of ALL people regardless of color).

Nobody should need black people being killed by cops to spark outrage, racial bias is blatantly obvious every waking second.. does not everybody know, or people have just forgotten, or wish it were otherwise?

I don't think anyone forgot that it is happening, or that it has happened before. There are not enough actions being taken (on the part of blacks, cops, and the like) to take a positive stance on the situations, themselves, once they have occurred.

grimlock · 07-07-2016, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kprocivic

You sound like a racist.

You hate jesus christ. But jesus has no hate for you.

Or you are just stupid. Can't help you with that.

Verbiage · 07-07-2016, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by csu87

He probably gave the warning because that is what you are taught, not because he was worried about being shot. For every dumb cop like this one, there are hundreds who deal with minority open/concealed carry stops where they don't shoot anyone.

Everytime I've been stopped while carrying, my hands are out the window while I'm telling them im carrying.

I'm pretty sure if you're black, a part of you worries about being shot when confronted by law enforcement. Unfortunately, that is the stigma surrounding the race and the circumstances. So you insinuating that he did so out of teaching versus fear is equally irrelevant.

And good for you for following the rules.

Verbiage · 07-07-2016, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by grimlock

Okay, if we are not talking about skin color, are we only talking about police brutality?

You have to be explicit about these things.

Just go back to the Tinder thread. You were of more use there with your random videos.

grimlock · 07-07-2016, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Verbiage

Agreed. Although, the context is much different and the actions are much more blatant, whereas politics is an arena that requires a scrutinized area of focal points.

I don't think anyone forgot that it is happening, or that it has happened before. There are not enough actions being taken (on the part of blacks, cops, and the like) to take a positive stance on the situations, themselves, once they have occurred.

You may be underestimating the difficulties of cops in the field.
White kids get blown up in Iraq/Afghanistan everyday.. where is your outrage?

The bitch is filming it. There are other witnesses, do you think the primary objective of the cop is to racial abuse this guy?
No, it's to stay alive and do his job.
For every time something like this occurs how many cases are there of the criminal getting the drop on the cop and he ending up dead?

So no cop can ever shoot a person of color, ever?

Verbiage · 07-07-2016, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by grimlock

You may be underestimating the difficulties of cops in the field.
White kids get blown up in Iraq/Afghanistan everyday.. where is your outrage?

The bitch is filming it. There are other witnesses, do you think the primary objective of the cop is to racial abuse this guy?
No, it's to stay alive and do his job.
For every time something like this occurs how many cases are there of the criminal getting the drop on the cop and he ending up dead?

So no cop can ever shoot a person of color, ever?

Your insinuations continue to insult. I post a link to an instance of a police killing, and you equate it to a war in which you have no idea where my stance lies. Just as you have your views, I have mine. That is the beauty of subjectivity.

I'll let someone else respond to you, should they choose to do so. I'm done with your posts, here.

nyalpine90 · 07-07-2016, 09:27 AM

In both cases, cops shouldve handle the situation differently.
the man was already laying down flat, one cop should perform search while the other one holds him down. the gun wouldve been found, he wouldve of been arrested.

2nd situation is worse as he clearly state he is carrying his weapon with permit. All the cop had to do is have every1 in car step out one at a time. find out where the gun is, perform proper search. Every1 goes home safe.

my 2 cents

csu87 · 07-07-2016, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Verbiage

I'm pretty sure if you're black, a part of you worries about being shot when confronted by law enforcement. Unfortunately, that is the stigma surrounding the race and the circumstances. So you insinuating that he did so out of teaching versus fear is equally irrelevant.

And good for you for following the rules.

There have been multiple studies showing unarmed white males are more likely to be shot by police than unarmed black males; but let's not let facts get in the way of the agrnda here.

kprocivic · 07-07-2016, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Verbiage

Your insinuations continue to insult. I post a link to an instance of a police killing, and you equate it to a war in which you have no idea where my stance lies. Just as you have your views, I have mine. That is the beauty of subjectivity.

I'll let someone else respond to you, should they choose to do so. I'm done with your posts, here.

Lol i told myself the same thing.

grimlock · 07-07-2016, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Verbiage

Your insinuations continue to insult. I post a link to an instance of a police killing, and you equate it to a war in which you have no idea where my stance lies. Just as you have your views, I have mine. That is the beauty of subjectivity.

I'll let someone else respond to you, should they choose to do so. I'm done with your posts, here.

Maybe you should start your own little island in the middle of the pacific where you make the laws and your subjective viewpoint rules.

Could it be that you are wrong and I am right? No... welcome to the real world, holmes.

Haywood · 07-07-2016, 09:29 AM

The situation is getting worse, not better. The concern is that it's not just happening in large, urban cities like NY, LA, Miami, etc, where it would be easy to say this happens all the time. But, it's obvious that most of these suburban cops are not being trained to deal with these situations. The minorities don't trust the cops because of the perceived profiling and what has gone on in recent history and the cops feel that their lives are being threatened every time they encounter a minority and thinks they have a weapon. There has to be better education for police departments and this has to start on a national level. Politicians, who are completely useless these days, need to come out and work together and find a way to get these police departments to get serious on training. Not them going on the news and saying, "Oh, this is tragic, this has to stop". I don't know all the answers to this situation. It's not that easy. But, doing nothing is the definition of insanity.

Verbiage · 07-07-2016, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by csu87

There have been multiple studies showing unarmed white males are more likely to be shot by police than unarmed black males; but let's not let facts get in the way of the agrnda here.

Thanks for the tidbit.

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Originally Posted by kprocivic

Lol i told myself the same thing.

Haha, waste of bandwidth.

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nyalpine90 Lieutenant General 7574 Rep 11,954 Posts Drives: MY24 G01 AW Msport Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: L.I. NY iTrader: (4) Garage List 2016 BMW X4 [9.25]	In both cases, cops shouldve handle the situation differently. the man was already laying down flat, one cop should perform search while the other one holds him down. the gun wouldve been found, he wouldve of been arrested. 2nd situation is worse as he clearly state he is carrying his weapon with permit. All the cop had to do is have every1 in car step out one at a time. find out where the gun is, perform proper search. Every1 goes home safe. my 2 cents
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