The Smoking Tire Revisits the E60 M5 Manual

ORIGIN M. · 08-14-2016, 08:20 PM

Long live Chris Bangle !

His timeless design languages are in everything these days !!

N54Twin · 08-14-2016, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by goj

Not a particularly interesting review. The sound from the v10 is great though

But seriously the interior door panel design is awkward on the e60

On the Pre-lci E60 yes,not my taste I think Lci looks way better.

StealYourFace · 08-14-2016, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ///Matthew

Can't stomach his videos.

Agreed, that fat slob is among the worst on the www.

TheBingoBalls · 08-14-2016, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddien123

Best car BMW ever made

E39 M5 would like a word with you.

Lorde · 08-14-2016, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MilehighM3

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Originally Posted by Eddien123

Best car BMW ever made

Please tell me you're kidding, the E60 has a lower resale value that the E39. The manual was slower than the SMG model, but at least down the road it'll save the average owner 5-10k in repairs. That's the only good thing about that car. It's a perfect example of what happens when manufacturers allow the public to dictate what they should build. The transmission gearing was wrong for that engine.

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raysspl · 08-14-2016, 10:54 PM

I do have to echo some of hte similar sentiments here & say Smoking Tire vids are getting less & less interesting. Matt Farah's far from a technical car person but he should definitely do a little bit more homework & get his facts per car in line.

Jozy · 08-14-2016, 11:24 PM

too much..... i'd prefer either the e39 m5 or f10 m5
at least both have more lower end torque

TheBingoBalls · 08-15-2016, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MilehighM3

Please tell me you're kidding, the E60 has a lower resale value that the E39. The manual was slower than the SMG model, but at least down the road it'll save the average owner 5-10k in repairs. That's the only good thing about that car. It's a perfect example of what happens when manufacturers allow the public to dictate what they should build. The transmission gearing was wrong for that engine.

+1.

E60 M5 in the area go for $40-45k depending on condition/mileage. There are two E39 M5's are asking for $60k+. I think that pretty much sums up which car is better between the two, never mind BMW of all-time.

kprocivic · 08-15-2016, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

+1.

E60 M5 in the area go for $40-45k depending on condition/mileage. There are two E39 M5's are asking for $60k+. I think that pretty much sums up which car is better between the two, never mind BMW of all-time.

lol maybe up there in drakeland. If someone pays 60k even Canadian dollars for a e39 m5 they deserve one of these.

TheBingoBalls · 08-15-2016, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kprocivic

lol maybe up there in drakeland. If someone pays 60k even Canadian dollars for a e39 m5 they deserve one of these.

The amount is not the point. Like the E30 M3, the E39 M5 is going to demand a stupid premium because it can unlike an E60 M5.

kprocivic · 08-15-2016, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

The amount is not the point. Like the E30 M3, the E39 M5 is going to demand a stupid premium because it can unlike an E60 M5.

don't think so.

AWF87M2 · 08-15-2016, 01:52 AM

the manual tranny in the e60 m5 is notorious for overheating. Stupid for bmw not to include a separate tranny cooler/heat exchanger.

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60...3799?_k=3h790m

leletyM3 · 08-15-2016, 03:00 AM

Miss my 2008 6MT M5 should have drove it more barely put 6k miles in 4 years before selling her! 6MT was pretty fun and I am sure it was better that the SMG

HellRaizzer · 08-15-2016, 05:05 AM

If it ain't manual I ain't buying....

vsix · 08-15-2016, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by StealYourFace

Agreed, that fat slob is among the worst on the www.

You guys are kidding and can't be serious...
He did one of my all time favourite reviews on the www!
This following review is...Iam speechless

This respectful review vid, is the best ever -period-

DeeKay · 08-15-2016, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by goj

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Originally Posted by doccyber

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Originally Posted by Eddien123

Best car BMW ever made

I think that title goes to the e39 M5

I would say e46 M3

E46 M3 CSL still stands as some of the purest and best BMW has build to date ... And damn they look good to this day

CSBM5 · 08-15-2016, 08:06 AM

The 6MT was available for 2007 production (08/2006 -> ), but that model year ended with 02/2007 production, and the "2008" model year here in the US started with 03/2007 and lasted through 07/2008. The early 6MT cars did not allow DSC to be disabled (BMWNA was fearful of wheel hop induced rear end damage apparently), but the outrage was so strong that they introduced DSC off ability with 09/2007 production (could have been 08/2007, hazy memory on that date) and also offered a software update for earlier cars at the same time.

As to the E39 M5 out-appreciating the E60 M5, that ship has long since sailed. A 400 mile E39 M5 recently sold for $150,000, and low mileage, well-kept cars are selling well above $70k. A 2003 E39 M5 with 25k miles will easily price way above a similar mileage E60 M5 in the marketplace right now.

So far the bug hasn't caught on with the E60 M5, but I'm guessing it is coming to some extent...same for the E63 M6 I would think, especially and notably if these are 6MT. Again, the primo examples will lead the way when (if) market demand takes off on the E60. With jcolley out there providing real solutions to some of the S85's issues along with outstanding support/advice, it makes owning one somewhat less foreboding too. I would guess for quality, low mileage, well-kept examples with good provenance, they have bottomed in depreciation in the past 1-2 years.

lowbudgethero · 08-15-2016, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by vsix

You guys are kidding and can't be serious...
He did one of my all time favourite reviews on the www!
This following review is...Iam speechless

This respectful review vid, is the best ever -period-

This, I like his one takes and reviews, some are better than others. The point of the one takes is you can get more videos and have a real time unedited initial feeling of a car stock or modified from someone who has driven a lot of cars. This will unfortunately lead to both good and bad reviews.

The e60 will always be unique with that wonderful v10, despite it's issues

8600RPM · 08-15-2016, 11:26 AM

E46 m3 including csll, e60 and e92 will go down as the pinnacle of M engineering. While people love tge,e39 it wasn't necessarly a technical marvel. The s54 technology led to s85 and s65.

The cool thing about the,v10 and v8 is for a naturally aspirated motor, they really performed with bolt ons , especially uncorking exhaust flow by removing cats. Takes header replacement on e60 but as most know a simple xpipe on e92.

Uncorked and restricted an extra 20 to 25 bph from that and it really let the motor hit an impressive 110 bph/litre. That's on par with almost any super car NASCAR engine outside 458 and 991 gt3

Cool cars,and miss that we never could see continued development of NASCAR motors.

I was sure hoping for Cam less NA engines before it came to an end but that now won't happen

ORIGIN M. · 08-15-2016, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by StealYourFace

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Originally Posted by ///Matthew

Can't stomach his videos.

Agreed, that fat slob is among the worst on the www.

Says the little man from behind his keyboard !

Flying Ace · 08-15-2016, 02:23 PM

why so much hate for the E60 M5 6MT? IMO, it's the pinnacle of M.

No one says it has to be the fastest car ever. It's just the ultimate combo of looks, sounds, and speed.

Coincidentally, I was behind a E63 M6 yesterday. I have to say, that wail of the high revving V10...it beats the pants off my S65B40 and your E46s all day any day. So those who says the E46 M3 is better, it's just absurd...The E46 is not even better than the M5's little brother, the E9X M3. So don't go there with this absurdity.

Flying Ace · 08-15-2016, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by goj

I would say e46 M3

Have you driven a E9X M3 before?

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CSBM5 Brigadier General 2897 Rep 3,470 Posts Drives: 2019 M2 Comp, 2011 M3, etc Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Greenville, SC iTrader: (2)	The 6MT was available for 2007 production (08/2006 -> ), but that model year ended with 02/2007 production, and the "2008" model year here in the US started with 03/2007 and lasted through 07/2008. The early 6MT cars did not allow DSC to be disabled (BMWNA was fearful of wheel hop induced rear end damage apparently), but the outrage was so strong that they introduced DSC off ability with 09/2007 production (could have been 08/2007, hazy memory on that date) and also offered a software update for earlier cars at the same time. As to the E39 M5 out-appreciating the E60 M5, that ship has long since sailed. A 400 mile E39 M5 recently sold for $150,000, and low mileage, well-kept cars are selling well above $70k. A 2003 E39 M5 with 25k miles will easily price way above a similar mileage E60 M5 in the marketplace right now. So far the bug hasn't caught on with the E60 M5, but I'm guessing it is coming to some extent...same for the E63 M6 I would think, especially and notably if these are 6MT. Again, the primo examples will lead the way when (if) market demand takes off on the E60. With jcolley out there providing real solutions to some of the S85's issues along with outstanding support/advice, it makes owning one somewhat less foreboding too. I would guess for quality, low mileage, well-kept examples with good provenance, they have bottomed in depreciation in the past 1-2 years. __________________ Current Stable: 2024 G20 M340i Melbourne Red/Cognac 2019 F87 M2 Competition 6MT, LBB, slicktop, exec pkg 2007 E91 328i Silver, slushbox, Eibach fr/E93 M3 rear sway bars, ARC-8
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