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Nice counter, but in defence of the 335i, it gets relatively good gas mileage if driven properly. It's not too difficult to muster up a solid 22mpg in this thing.
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04-28-2008, 09:40 PM | #25 | |
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The things an SUV offers can be necessities.
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True, but those qualities are often never utilized by many owners. I think one of the points M3This was trying to make was that many people don't need SUVs (again, you can make the same statement about us and our unnecessary 230/300hp e9X's, but the effects in terms of economy aren't as extreme).
Sure, some people need SUVs, and so be it. But there are others that have them just for the sake of having a large-ass vehicle on the road which is detrimental to the environment and others on the road.
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I am not sure your point about the relative merits of the SUV compared to our BMW's is valid. According to the EPA numbers a 4wd Yukon averages 16mpg compared with a Honda Odyssey's 20mpg. The difference between the 335i and the Corolla is a more extreme 20/31mpg.
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Well I've seen Australia and Europe do just fine with wagons. It was a HUGE relief to drive on those roads without a lumbering SUV obscuring my vision. Really, it was heaven without them on the road.
But hey, that's just me. I personally am not a fan of SUVs.
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22mpg is a lot of fuel. Now, this discussion on using fuel is very double standard, as the fuel you use for your car is almost nothing compared with what you use indirectly. |
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This is a problem I have every day... specially because here in Florida everybody tints their windows so visibility with one in front is zero. |
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04-28-2008, 11:06 PM | #31 |
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I do not believe a modern wagon is comparable to an SUV. Do any wagons available today seat more than 5 and have storage space?
No one is forcing you to buy an SUV just as no one is preventing you from buying a 300hp 4 passenger coupe. That is what makes life interesting.
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I know, right?
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04-28-2008, 11:13 PM | #34 |
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Ok.. typical scenario.
Waiting for a left turn in an intersection.... yield with green light. From the opposite side, a big SUV wants to do the same thing, so while he/she waits in the left lane, his/her big car is blocking your vision... Results... wait until the SOB turns.... |
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Worst possible situation!^
Happens to me all the time in the morning...so annoying...
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im glad gas prices are escalating and continue to do so. Will rid us from all the so called 'ballers' in my area. Just like housing costs and how everybody is foreclosing now. The banks were offering everybody loans, even people who really did not qualify. Now its time to cleanse ourselves of all the fake want to be home buyers who bought more than they could with interest only loans!!
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$4.19 at shell today for v-power 91. . . . $64 for the full tank.
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$3.79 here today... tomorrow
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i just paid 60 bucks to fill my tank.
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Where do you get Hydrogen on Earth? You have to electrolyze water. That means you dissolve a catalyst in the water, and then pass electricity through it. Where do we get electricity in this country? We burn coal for well over 70% of the nations electrical needs. I'll break the math down to very simple results - you'll put 3-4 times as much CO2 in the air with an "H" powered vehicle, per mile, as you would with gasoline. Why might you ask? Becuase the electrolysis of water is horribly inefficient. By the time you extract the energy back out of the fuel cell (that's where the hydrogen goes), you are netting around 15% of the available energy in the coal. By alternative, when you burn gasoline, you are netting well over 60% of the available energy (all speaking isentropically, of course). Now consider the ramifications of putting so much water vapor (that's the exhaust of a fuel cell) into the atmosphere. It is THE best gassious insulator in the atmosphere. It has over 20 times the thermal capacitance of CO2. Hydrogen powered vehicles are the worst fucking idea anyone ever dreamed of, at least until we generate ALL of our electricity from wind and sun. For all of you that don't like the price of gas (and I am one), what are you doing to address the issues? I'm talking about consumption. A personal crusade against SUV's is great, go for it if it makes you feel better. I'll be buying one soon to go with my pickup truck in the garage. I have my reasons. If you really want to make a difference on the consumption side, start talking to your congressmen (or women) about the subsidies for gas that other countries pick up for their people. Start with China and the middle east. I don't have the latest figures handy, but at last look China was subsidizing something over 50% of the cost of gas at the pump for its people. Who says communism doesn't work?(kidding, it sucks). Same in Iran. Chinas consumption of gasoline has EXPLODED over the last 10 years. That in and of itself is enough to upset the delicate balance of supply and demand. When supplies are running at capacity (they are) and demand bumps just a bit, you can see an enormous movement in prices. This current scenario is being reviewed in economics classes all over the world. When the whole world starts realizing the true cost of gas, its value and limited supply, things will come back into balance. I wonder what internet chat forums would have looked like during the 1970's gas crisis? Hmmmm......
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Im not on a personal crusade against SUVs ... I just think its retarded that 90%+ of people that buy them never use them for their intended purpose. |
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No its called buying a car that practical for the 90% of the time you need it and rent a truck from UHAL the 5 days a year you need one. Not only will it be cheaper (you will save money in gas through out the year), but its more efficient.
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I agree with you on the whole supply and demand and economic out look. However I dont agree about talking to our government about subsidizing gas more then they do. China and the Middle East do it since oil if being drilled there and they are profiting for oil sales. Here in the U.S. our government is holding back on drilling in Alaska (its a poker play IMO as when supply gets low we will the the last ones left with oil). I also think subsidizing will allow our arrogance as Americans to continue to go. Anyone that steps out side of our borders and talks with anyone over seas will make you wake up to how arrogant we are. |
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