[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Yeah, that part of the article, specifically:

"It will act as a replacement for today’s 3 Series GT while indirectly replacing the slow-selling 4 Series Gran Coupé in a move similar to that set to be taken by the larger and more expensive 6 Series GT."

made me do a "WTF?" too.

Here in the US, we've seen the 4 Series GC send overall 4 Series sales totals skyrocketing over the past couple years. There were even a couple months where the 4 Series (including coupe, convertible, GC) actually exceeded 3 Series (including sedan, wagon, GT) in total sales. That is significant because in the past, before the GC and even further back when everything was lumped together under the 3 Series brand, the two door models would come in at a fraction of the sedan (and wagon, for whatever little bit that added) as you would naturally expect.

I have a very hard time believing that, at least in the US, the 3 Series GT sells anywhere near the 4 Series GC. Furthermore, if we are calling the 4 Series GC "slow selling" well then the 4 Series Coupe and Convertible are likely to be in "glacial sales" territory. Yet those aren't going anywhere for the next generation. Don't get me wrong, I understand and can get behind BMW's desire to combine its GC and GT models into one product. I just don't understand why - judging by the appearance of the 6 Series GT spy shots - they have to lean toward the more homely looks of the GT rather than the more elegant looks of the GC. Maybe the new 4GT and 6GT will end up surprising us all with a beautiful looks, but it seems unlikely at this point.

3er GT
F36

[Agni]

The hype around the Model 3 is misplaced. People compare it to today's cars.
I think they need to compare it to 2020 model year cars, which is how long it will take tesla to get to a meaningful production level, where you can walk in and buy one.

So by the time Model 3 hits meaningful production level with meaningful option mix, there will be a whole host of competitors including this BMW.

[avex8]

I'll choose telsa over that junk anytime. I love my p90d

[ssuene93]

Im interested on the electric 4GC. Not a fan on GT.

[MalibuBimmer]

If BMW is going to put electric motors in its mainstream cars the i brand is meaningless. It should be absorbed into the mainstreamof the company.

They sure didn't teach running a business like this at Harvard Business School.

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by imserious

Lost me at GT

3, 3gt, 4gc, x4, and now a 4gt. That's a lot of ways to put 4 doors on a small sedan. Wait, maybe the 4 GT will be a two door like the 4 series implies. Wait, the x4 also has 4 doors. Wait, I'm getting dizzy. BMW model progression is getting more complicated with each new model.

[raysspl]

Originally Posted by colonel_bagshot

Lost me at Electric

Originally Posted by cwulffy

Lol

Lost me at electric GT

[CalCarNut]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Yeah, that part of the article, specifically:

"It will act as a replacement for today’s 3 Series GT while indirectly replacing the slow-selling 4 Series Gran Coupé in a move similar to that set to be taken by the larger and more expensive 6 Series GT."

made me do a "WTF?" too.

Here in the US, we've seen the 4 Series GC send overall 4 Series sales totals skyrocketing over the past couple years. There were even a couple months where the 4 Series (including coupe, convertible, GC) actually exceeded 3 Series (including sedan, wagon, GT) in total sales. That is significant because in the past, before the GC and even further back when everything was lumped together under the 3 Series brand, the two door models would come in at a fraction of the sedan (and wagon, for whatever little bit that added) as you would naturally expect.

I have a very hard time believing that, at least in the US, the 3 Series GT sells anywhere near the 4 Series GC. Furthermore, if we are calling the 4 Series GC "slow selling" well then the 4 Series Coupe and Convertible are likely to be in "glacial sales" territory. Yet those aren't going anywhere for the next generation. Don't get me wrong, I understand and can get behind BMW's desire to combine its GC and GT models into one product. I just don't understand why - judging by the appearance of the 6 Series GT spy shots - they have to lean toward the more homely looks of the GT rather than the more elegant looks of the GC. Maybe the new 4GT and 6GT will end up surprising us all with beautiful looks, but it seems unlikely at this point.

Now if they want to go hybrid 4GC...but leave the body style alone, 'fine'...but anything close to the GT series and this will be the one and only 4GC that they'll get a sale from me.

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by CalCarNut

Now if they want to go hybrid 4GC...but leave the body style alone, 'fine'...but anything close to the GT series and this will be the one and only 4GC that they'll get a sale from me.

[antzcrashing]

Bmw makes in GT style so if it flops they can blame it on that. But seriously if bmw only projects 100k sold per year they are either conservative or there is something that will suck about this car they are not telling us. Also I highly doubt it will be 40k and a bmw at the same time

[VTECaddict]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

Also I highly doubt it will be 40k and a bmw at the same time

£40k = ~$51.6k US

[DCG]

Good!

[DCG]

And it looks cool too!!! Nice job BMW

[secretanchitman]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Why is BMW management so insistent on these turd a$$ GTs?

If Tesla has shown us anything, it's that an electric car will only sell if it looks good. Do they want to repeat the i3 debacle all over again?

100% agreed. Enough of these horrible looking GT models already...

[MysticBlue]

Originally Posted by Brake_Late

I love mine 5 doors and sexy is where it's at for daily drivers !

Sexy? Someone up above also said they are more practical than station wagons. Wow. Everyone is welcome to their opinion, so here's mine. GT's are NOT more practical than wagons. They have less headroom than sedans or wagons and less cargo space than wagons. Where is the practicality? And as far as sexy? X6, X4, 3gt, 5gt, 6gt, whatever, they are all hideous.

[ORIGIN M.]

I heard the X2 as well as the 3/4er variant.

We'll see.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by DCG

And it looks cool too!!! Nice job BMW

I know you're kidding and BMW won't do that traditional bumper on full electric.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Agni

The hype around the Model 3 is misplaced.

I wouldn't count on it. It will be extremely difficult for BMW to beat the Model 3 on price/features.
What BMW needs to justify their higher price for the segment is better cooling, longer range, weight reduction, faster charge time, better handling, better steering/road feel, and better overall performance. Musk's focus on car as a taxi will provide an opportunity for BMW to compete with a driver-focused car (to the extent that a full EV will allow).

Tesla will offer a 3 second Model 3. Will BMW offer a "performance" option as well?

[marcva]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Meanwhile...

There is such an over abundance of oil in the world marketplace OPEC is begging for less production to help raise prices...

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/11/inve...il-u-s-supply/


Many climate scientists are now predicting global cooling...

http://notrickszone.com/2017/04/10/a....t2Eulwd0.dpbs


US leadership is moving away from subsidizing "anti global warming" efforts...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...der/index.html

Doesn't seem forward looking to me.

A cleaner world couldn't hurt. Urban smog pictures are very real.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

I see the GT in the same light as the X4. They are both filling the gap between SUV/CUV and sedan/coupes. The X4 is a SUV/CUV with a touch of sedan/coupe. The GT is a sedan/coupe with a touch of SUV/CUV.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

I wouldn't count on it. It will be extremely difficult for BMW to beat the Model 3 on price/features.
What BMW needs to justify their higher price for the segment is better cooling, longer range, weight reduction, faster charge time, better handling, better steering/road feel, and better overall performance. Musk's focus on car as a taxi will provide an opportunity for BMW to compete with a driver-focused car (to the extent that a full EV will allow).

Tesla will offer a 3 second Model 3. Will BMW offer a "performance" option as well?

BMW will have no choice in the matter.

Lead, Follow, or get out of the way!

Benz will compete, will BMW?

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by raysspl

Lost me at electric GT

Bless your little heart