[gonzo]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

Anyone have any experience with Nissan service departments? Do any of you think they are able to properly service a car like the GTR?

I read that the service techs are specific for the car. Tons of training, own service bay etc...

[UltimateBMW]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I read that the service techs are specific for the car. Tons of training, own service bay etc...

If that is true, then I'm impressed.

[Couch]

Originally Posted by E82tt6

How can it possibly be legal for them to void the warranty for using one of the features integrated into the vehicle, and advertised? That SMACKS of law suit.

I guarantee at least 1 owner of a GTR is a lawyer. LOL.

Originally Posted by ganeil

A warranty is like a contract. You agree to the terms of the contract as written when you purchase your car. What exactly would you sue them for?

As much as I am against suing. This is a very legitiment reason to sue. Why build a car, that harnesses such power and capability only to deny it to be used as such. That's like Ferrari telling you to not take corners above 15mph in your new Scuderia.

Nissan, don't build a car your ass can't cash.

[UltimateBMW]

Originally Posted by Couch

As much as I am against suing. This is a very legitiment reason to sue. Why build a car, that harnesses such power and capability only to deny it to be used as such. That's like Ferrari telling you to not take corners above 15mph in your new Scuderia.
Nissan, don't build a car your ass can't cash.

Not exactly. Nissan isn't saying you can't go fast. And they certainly aren't discouraging using the cars power. They are simply requiring you leave the computer in full awareness so when your dumb ass does something reckless in a car that you aren't qualified to race, you don't get killed and they don't have to deal with an elaborate investigation. I believe all there systems have 'R' modes, which give more leniency. You just can't turn it completely off.

It could be worse, we could have the same GPS tracking system they implemented in Japan where you have to be on a track for the governer to lighten up. However, in the end I don't agree with their choice but I do understand why they chose it.

[ganeil]

Originally Posted by Couch

I guarantee at least 1 owner of a GTR is a lawyer. LOL.

As much as I am against suing. This is a very legitiment reason to sue. Why build a car, that harnesses such power and capability only to deny it to be used as such. That's like Ferrari telling you to not take corners above 15mph in your new Scuderia.

Nissan, don't build a car your ass can't cash.

They are not telling you that you cannot do something. They are telling you that if you do it they will no longer cover your car under warranty. That is a very big distinction.

Although not nearly to the same extent our warranties are void if we use our cars in a competitive event.

I believe there really is not any basis for a lawsuit here.

[Year's_End]

Wow. Pretty pathetic.

[sayemthree]

according to the M3 owners manual they can deny coverage of a claim if it was due to abuse. using launch control at every single red light might meet that definition.

[down4it]

Gay Gay Gay!! The only GTR i will buy now is a used one with no warranty for $35k

[sayemthree]

I think the GTR has a button on the lower dash - it says : " Press Button to Void Warranty"

[sayemthree]

nowhere on the link does it say they will void your warranty. they say limitations and exceptions apply if you dont follow the owners manual in regards to the following list.blah, blah blah.

I think one shoudl read the rest of the manual regarding VDC to see what it says.

[uhaulball]

next. using the MAX A/C will void warranty...

and the gas pedal too. using the windshield wiper blades more than 3 swipes also voids electrical warranties. this is pathetic.

[Couch]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

Not exactly. Nissan isn't saying you can't go fast. And they certainly aren't discouraging using the cars power. They are simply requiring you leave the computer in full awareness so when your dumb ass does something reckless in a car that you aren't qualified to race, you don't get killed and they don't have to deal with an elaborate investigation. I believe all there systems have 'R' modes, which give more leniency. You just can't turn it completely off.

It could be worse, we could have the same GPS tracking system they implemented in Japan where you have to be on a track for the governer to lighten up. However, in the end I don't agree with their choice but I do understand why they chose it.

Originally Posted by ganeil

They are not telling you that you cannot do something. They are telling you that if you do it they will no longer cover your car under warranty. That is a very big distinction.

Although not nearly to the same extent our warranties are void if we use our cars in a competitive event.

I believe there really is not any basis for a lawsuit here.

Points taken.

[Icedog_16]

Originally Posted by xxForgedxx

I wonder if they have an computer reader that can tell the dealer how it has been driven like the Lotus Elise?

The same thing that the one guy posted about his Lotus experience happened to me when I broke a rocker arm - although, based on what he states about his ECU dump, it sounds as though I was much easier on my car. Granted, every time I provided evidence or argument to the contrary, they changed the reason for denial (track usage, mods, abuse, misuse, overrev, and back to mods). I eventually got them to work with me, but it wasn't enough as others who had the same exact failure on the same cylinder had gotten theirs repaired. That was exactly the reason I was hesitant to buy one of those cars in the first place.

[UltimateBMW]

Originally Posted by xxForgedxx

I wonder if they have an computer reader that can tell the dealer how it has been driven like the Lotus Elise?

You can bet your ass that they can read your on-board computer and know how many times you've redlined it, you top speed, how often you exceed a random speed limitation, and of course how many times the launch control has been exercised.

[e92law]

This news should be of greater concern:

Nissan announced today a price increase for the 2009 GT-R, raising the MSRP nearly $7,000 from $69,850 to $76,840. The price for the Premium model has been increased even more, going from $71,900 to $79,090 in one fell swoop. Fortunately, the adjusted prices do not affect customers who placed their orders with dealers before September 5. Nissan cited increased material costs as the reason for the adjustment.

Since the GT-R is already one of the best performance bargains on the market today and customers are paying a premium to own one, we doubt that the price increase will have any effect on sales. Still, $7,000 is a serious chunk of change that could go towards aftermarket toys from Cobb Tuning or HKS.

[Turkishexpress]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

Anyone have any experience with Nissan service departments? Do any of you think they are able to properly service a car like the GTR?

Yes this is part of the reason that the GTRs were marked up so high. Only a handful of dealers were even allowed to receive the car IF they dumped a huge change from their pockets to buy all the required specialized equipment and pay for the extensive training of their master techs... In any case it is ricockilous that your warranty is voided for driving a car that was meant for driving a certain way. Hell even GM doesn't stick it up the z06 owners rear end that way...

[T Bone]

What would happen for lapping days? Driver's ed events?

[ganeil]

Originally Posted by Turkishexpress

In any case it is ricockilous that your warranty is voided for driving a car that was meant for driving a certain way. Hell even GM doesn't stick it up the z06 owners rear end that way...

I'm pretty sure it means that Nissan did not intend for it to be driven that way.

[asdflkijd]

well that sucks... what happens if somebody test drives it and ends up turning off the VDC .... This is another load of crap by the car companies to keep the dough in their pockets..

[Spec 1]

Originally Posted by T Bone

What would happen for lapping days? Driver's ed events?

Insurance companies still consider it racing, I imagine car companies would too.

Originally Posted by ganeil

I'm pretty sure it means that Nissan did not intend for it to be driven that way.

Uh huh. Nissan really designed a car on par with a Corvette Z06, Ferrari F430, and other, and meant for it to be a grocery getter.

[exidisjon]

If you paid $80k+ for a nissan you shouldnt worry bout warranty.

[Turkishexpress]

Originally Posted by ganeil

I'm pretty sure it means that Nissan did not intend for it to be driven that way.

What is written on the warranty is understood but it makes as much sense as Bush getting elected twice You don't go after the Z06, Viper, and other exotics with a 70K price tag + mark up and then tell the owners to just keep it looking good in your garage. Well actually you can but thats when people stop buying your product or sue you every time they get a chance. And oh yes they can sue. Its America and no matter how self righteous you may feel about it, the outcome of the case will be as unpredictable as guessing the exact location of an electron at any given moment.