[amgthis]

Originally Posted by footie

When you say 'a loaner', do you mean this car is a hire car or worse still a car on loan from an Audi dealer.

God help him if it's either because it ain't insured for taking on a track. So the German Mafia will be after him then.

No, it was an Audi event where people could drive Audis. I read on an Audi forum.

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by footie

Disagree on that one TB. The squealing is classic awd and the over correction is not understeer but oversteer, with understeer his steering wheels would be aiming for the centre of the track.

What we have here is oversteer with opposite lock on, the rear end has gain traction on the surface (i.e. not enough power going to the rear to keep the slid going) and he hasn't had enough time to unwind to lock.

An amature of the highest degree.

Originally Posted by O-cha

Actually he corrected perfectly as he was pointed in the correct direction down the straight, the problem is he then did not turn the wheel straight after it caught, and worse yet the only way to so violently turn in like that, he took his foot off the gas and pitched the car back onto the front wheels.

Agree on the driver being an amateur.....

I wished the camera panned on them, I am not sure if I can conclude what you guys are.....

I could see massive understeer to uncorrected oversteer....

[footie]

Originally Posted by T Bone

Agree on the driver being an amateur.....

I wished the camera panned on them, I am not sure if I can conclude what you guys are.....

I could see massive understeer to uncorrected oversteer....

I am 100% sure that this is the result of oversteer and not understeer. The normal reaction for most people is to increase the amount of lock in the direction of the corner when understeer happens, very few know that a slight reduction of steering lock reduces understeer. So as I already said previously if understeer had been the cause the car would have went to the in-field instead of being fired off to the armco.

Also the screeching you were hearing wasn't understeer but 4 wheel drift that became oversteer. If he hadn't have put so much opposite lock on the car would have come out the corner perfectly.

Too much car and inexperience = BIG OFF.

[footie]

Originally Posted by amgthis

No, it was an Audi event where people could drive Audis. I read on an Audi forum.

If you are correct and the car was one at the event then the passenger was an Audi employee because that is the only way you get to drive an event like this.

[Speedtrap]

Write off....ouch!!!!!

[Year's_End]

Waaay to go.

[amgthis]

Originally Posted by footie

If you are correct and the car was one at the event then the passenger was an Audi employee because that is the only way you get to drive an event like this.

I guess that is so.

[T i h o r]

How come I still can't see it?

[GAM3OVR85]

Ouch!!

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by footie

I am 100% sure that this is the result of oversteer and not understeer. The normal reaction for most people is to increase the amount of lock in the direction of the corner when understeer happens, very few know that a slight reduction of steering lock reduces understeer. So as I already said previously if understeer had been the cause the car would have went to the in-field instead of being fired off to the armco.

Also the screeching you were hearing wasn't understeer but 4 wheel drift that became oversteer. If he hadn't have put so much opposite lock on the car would have come out the corner perfectly.

Too much car and inexperience = BIG OFF.

Not to nit..... you don't get oversteer on turn in. The tires were scream of life on turn-in....understeer....then the driver ran of out talent and show us Audi side curtains work great.

[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by T Bone

Not to nit..... you don't get oversteer on turn in. The tires were scream of life on turn-in....understeer....then the driver ran of out talent and show us Audi side curtains work great.

T Bone is correct. That is the "holly crap slam on the brakes because my car is not turning" panic of understeer you are hearing.

[AV9]

bummer for the car...

[dreamk]

understeer then oversteer

[amgthis]

We dont really know what happened.The camera wasn't focused.

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by T Bone

Not to nit..... you don't get oversteer on turn in. The tires were scream of life on turn-in....understeer....then the driver ran of out talent and show us Audi side curtains work great.

It's really easy to get oversteer on turn in if you don't know what you're doing and trail brake improperly.

Originally Posted by Nikolas

T Bone is correct. That is the "holly crap slam on the brakes because my car is not turning" panic of understeer you are hearing.

Why would he slam on the brakes when he was pointed straight down track.

The one part of his turn we do see is him pointed straight down the track with his front wheels pointed to the drivers side. This is obviously the correction of oversteer. If he had been understeering with his wheels in that direction he would not be pointing straight down track and would simply have gone straight off.

He took his foot off the gas after correcting a huge oversteer without straightening his steering, this is plainly clear.

[footie]

Originally Posted by O-cha

It's really easy to get oversteer on turn in if you don't know what you're doing and trail brake improperly.



Why would he slam on the brakes when he was pointed straight down track.

The one part of his turn we do see is him pointed straight down the track with his front wheels pointed to the drivers side. This is obviously the correction of oversteer. If he had been understeering with his wheels in that direction he would not be pointing straight down track and would simply have gone straight off.

He took his foot off the gas after correcting a huge oversteer without straightening his steering, this is plainly clear.

You are fighting a losing battle trying to convince TB and his like that an Audi quattro can induce oversteer. To anyone with even the basics of car control will know what happened here and it's a simple case of not knowing what to do when something like this happens.

It's one of the reasons why most manufacturers chose to engineer in understeer into their cars but most people can't control oversteer when it happens.

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by O-cha

It's really easy to get oversteer on turn in if you don't know what you're doing and trail brake improperly.

Originally Posted by footie

You are fighting a losing battle trying to convince TB and his like that an Audi quattro can induce oversteer. To anyone with even the basics of car control will know what happened here and it's a simple case of not knowing what to do when something like this happens.

It's one of the reasons why most manufacturers chose to engineer in understeer into their cars but most people can't control oversteer when it happens.

Footie, I am not making any of those arguments..... We can't conclude exactly what happened in this particular video.

He could have understeered, snap oversteer, over corrected / not corrected. He could have trailed brake too much.

The only thing we say with any degree of certainty is these cars were understeering at turn-in (not just the car that crashed)

[Nikolas]

To me it sounded like he hit the brakes due to understeer, cocked the wheel, hammered on the gas, which created the snap oversteer. The speed into the turn with the tires screaming like that reaks of understeer. That sound is happening before you witness the end result which is snap oversteer.