[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I figured you were pretty ignorant on the subject however, I’m afraid I underestimated you. You’re extremely ignorant. No need for us to continue this conversation and I suggest you stop trolling.

Let me guess, you have ceramic coated ppf. You do you.

[Pentland]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I figured you were pretty ignorant on the subject however, I’m afraid I underestimated you. You’re extremely ignorant. No need for us to continue this conversation and I suggest you stop trolling.

I said at the start I didn’t know the answer. As the thread developed, seems like I’m not the only one.

You claim know it all but don’t want to say. You also don’t want to spread your wisdom so I assume you have none. You’ve added nothing to the thread except for being rude yet it’s me that the troll.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Let me guess, you have ceramic coated ppf. You do you.

Originally Posted by Pentland

I said at the start I didn’t know the answer. As the thread developed, seems like I’m not the only one.

You claim know it all but don’t want to say. You also don’t want to spread your wisdom so I assume you have none. You’ve added nothing to the thread except for being rude yet it’s me that the troll.

As I have already explained to you two clowns, there’s plenty of information on the Internet and about this. It seems to me this is more of an issue that you guys can’t afford it rather than whether or not it’s beneficial. The fact that Ceramic Coat protects the PPF and causes it to last longer (and many other benefits) has been known for years so you guys mocking it and making fun of it, just makes you look like clowns as I said above. Now, had you guys joined a thread on this subject in 2014 and blessed us with your sarcasm and trolling you might have been able to miss lead some people. Generally, I don’t care except you are misleading the OP.

OP just Google it. There’s plenty of websites and third-party sources that talk about the improvements and benefits of these things. You need to weigh that against your budget and see if it works for you. Unfortunately, you’re not going to get much help here especially on this thread.

I am done here.

[Pentland]

Originally Posted by Patton250

As I have already explained to you two clowns, there’s plenty of information on the Internet and about this. It seems to me this is more of an issue that you guys can’t afford it rather than whether or not it’s beneficial. The fact that Ceramic Coat protects the PPF and causes it to last longer (and many other benefits) has been known for years so you guys mocking it and making fun of it, just makes you look like clowns as I said above. Now, had you guys joined a thread on this subject in 2014 and blessed us with your sarcasm and trolling you might have been able to miss lead some people. Generally, I don’t care except you are misleading the OP.

OP just Google it. There’s plenty of websites and third-party sources that talk about the improvements and benefits of these things. You need to weigh that against your budget and see if it works for you. Unfortunately, you’re not going to get much help here especially on this thread.

I am done here.

I thought you were out a few posts ago

Resorting to name calling now. My goodness you are so superior.

Seems you have difficulty in reading. The OP didn’t ask about ceramic coating on PPF. No body mentioned money, other than one poster who suggested you may to have paid for something potentially unnecessary.

Things have moved on since 2014, you might want to read up on that.


The only clown here is you.

[P1]

Originally Posted by Patton250

You probably should take an afternoon and call around to all the PPF dealers in your area and tell them how they don’t know what they’re doing. If you really want to drive that point home, you should call the manufacturers of PPF and Ceramic Coat and tell them the same thing.

Naah, no need. I use this thing called common sense. Bit of a rarity these days.

[tracer bullet]

S'posedly ceramic coating protects the PPF so it doesn't get UV damaged.

If it's a waste of money, that's an opinion so there's no real answer, but it's an opinion I tend to share.

As to some folks inability to have a conversation that doesn't quickly devolve into ironic accusations and logical fallacies, same thing.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Patton250

It seems to me this is more of an issue that you guys can’t afford it rather than whether or not it’s beneficial.

There you have it. No need to say anymore. You got me. Can’t afford ppf. Or those $1200 window tints, or monster gold plated cables.

[malvern_man]

The Gyeon PPF that I have on my X5 is ceramic coated during the manufacturing process.

[Ljn21]

Cure time varies somewhat by product. You should be fine at 24 hours I would think.

[james1138]

Originally Posted by Ljn21

Cure time varies somewhat by product. You should be fine at 24 hours I would think.

Thanks!

[NoMods]

24 hours and don't wash for two weeks iirc according to Todd at Esoteric

[Pentland]

Originally Posted by malvern_man

The Gyeon PPF that I have on my X5 is ceramic coated during the manufacturing process.

Originally Posted by tracer bullet

S'posedly ceramic coating protects the PPF so it doesn't get UV damaged.

Looking at the main brands of PPF, they all seem to have a UV protectant of some sort. Whether that’s a ceramic coating built in or something else. Most also seem to be guaranteed for 7-10 years and that’s more than a ceramic coat will last.

[tracer bullet]

I'm sure everything does have a protectant in it, it isn't rocket science. I know that medical plastics commonly get 1/2% of 2 additions, tinuvin and irganox, in them to prevent UV degradation during manufacturing or storage. If the PPF companies somehow didn't realize they should keep their films or adhesives from degrading it'd be silly. Their own websites advertise their products don't degrade form UV exposure and give 10 year warranties...

If I was doing ceramic and PPF I'd probably put the ceramic over the PPF as well since I'm already there if that was the order things were applied. But the notion that it has to be done doesn't hold water.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

lmfao yall blowing money on the stupidest shit ever, getting bullshitted by a bunch of coked out marketers. with term's like "synergy" in your fuel and ceramic coating a piece of fucking plastic which is already overkill on a sub 100k car.

[DocL]

Originally Posted by Pentland

So you put PPF on to protect the paint and ceramic to protect the PPF. Seems like over kill to me.

Ceramic coating also makes it much easier to wash the car. And you can still get water spots on PPF.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by DocL

Ceramic coating also makes it much easier to wash the car. And you can still get water spots on PPF.

Correct. This is just one video demonstrating you are correct. However, most anyone who has looked into this already knows this to be true. It’s on every PPF dealers website and every PPF manufacturers website. There are tons of third-party articles and videos like this one below talking about it as well. PPF is for paint protection from rock chips and minor scratches. Ceramic coating is a “permanent wax job” (well 4-10 years) that has many other benefits above and different from what just PPF offers. Granted to do both is very expensive, but PPF is more expensive by far. It doesn’t cost much more to ceramic coat after that. This is something I only do on my high-end vehicles in my home fleet.

[LivingInSalt]

Originally Posted by tracer bullet

If I was doing ceramic and PPF I'd probably put the ceramic over the PPF as well since I'm already there if that was the order things were applied. But the notion that it has to be done doesn't hold water.

There's no probably about it. If you are doing both you must put PPF directly on the paint, then ceramic on top of the PPF. You cannot put PPF on top of ceramic

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by LivingInSalt

There's no probably about it. If you are doing both you must put PPF directly on the paint, then ceramic on top of the PPF. You cannot put PPF on top of ceramic

You are correct

Procedure
1. Wash the car in detail.
2. Paint correction. This in itself can take all day and usually does.
3. Wash the car in detail again.
4. Apply PPF.
5. Apply ceramic coating on top of PPF.

[Raimo5]

So lets get back on topic.

Ceramic coatings are considered safe to drive after they have been wiped off. Yes, they need to be protected from water for first 24-48 hours and no washing for first week, but other that that there's not much to it.

It's not like a wet paint which will collect dust and garbage if it's fresh. If it's dry to touch and you wont get any sap, water or other bonding contaminants then you are perfectly safe to drive it off within an hour of application. Why appliers want to keep it for 24 hours is to guarantee quality of work. They dont know how you are going to drive it or what will be the storage conditions for coming days.

Based on the information that you gave, you wont have any issues.

[DocL]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Correct. This is just one video demonstrating you are correct. However, most anyone who has looked into this already knows this to be true. It’s on every PPF dealers website and every PPF manufacturers website. There are tons of third-party articles and videos like this one below talking about it as well. PPF is for paint protection from rock chips and minor scratches. Ceramic coating is a “permanent wax job” (well 4-10 years) that has many other benefits above and different from what just PPF offers. Granted to do both is very expensive, but PPF is more expensive by far. It doesn’t cost much more to ceramic coat after that. This is something I only do on my high-end vehicles in my home fleet.

I have never done PPF on an entire car. I usually just do the front end and CF roof to prevent the rock chips. I also don't Ceramic coat all of my cars. My F80 is the first car I went with Ceramic because it was time for me to make it easier to wash my car.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by DocL

I have never done PPF on an entire car. I usually just do the front end and CF roof to prevent the rock chips. I also don't Ceramic coat all of my cars. My F80 is the first car I went with Ceramic because it was time for me to make it easier to wash my car.

I never did any of this until I started buying higher end cars. Why would I put this kind of investment in to let’s say one of the Corolla’s I’ve owned or Camry? I just wouldn’t do it. I haven’t even done it to my bad ass Toyota Tacoma. However, every high-end sports car I’ve owned for the last six years. I’ve done it. The first one I just did the front with PPF and Ceramic Coated the rest. Now I just do PPF on the whole car.

[Westside Guy]

Originally Posted by G35POPPEDMYCHERRY

lmfao yall blowing money on the stupidest shit ever, getting bullshitted by a bunch of coked out marketers. with term's like "synergy" in your fuel and ceramic coating a piece of fucking plastic which is already overkill on a sub 100k car.

That was really informative!