[JK479]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

Why make two?!

I’m glad they are not dumping gasoline

Maybe they can replicate manual on electric car somehow…that would be a world wonder!

Not looking forward to electric m3 at all

Not what M is about

They filed the patent- maybe a manual just selects torque to a computer. Interesting how one could manually select power. It’s no different than manual gear selection maybe?

[24CBX4M40i]

Originally Posted by kjx

All the M340i, M440i cars already have mild-hybrid. And have for a few years now. Nothing new here to really be concerned about.

Yeah, the B58 has been hybrid since 2022.. love mine

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by hufington

This is great news.

I agree it seems like the logical progression

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by akkando

I bet when it comes out people will claim the new car makes the g80 look dated.

I have no doubt that it probably will

[lonestar22]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

I wonder if this means BMW is killing the manual transmission for the M3/4 models? I don't know if any hybrids come with a stick?
Would be pretty amazing to have a six speed hybrid setup and I would hope with BMW's resources, they would. Hell, look at the Z4 manual as proof that fun cars still exist.
If they do decide to make the M3/4 ZF8 only, then the G87 & Z4 are the only last fun cars left in the lineup, yikes.

I dont think anyone thought the manual M3 would survive this generation. The take rate is extremely low even though everyone says they want one.

[lonestar22]

Originally Posted by JK479

They filed the patent- maybe a manual just selects torque to a computer. Interesting how one could manually select power. It’s no different than manual gear selection maybe?

Why put that much effort in when no one is buying the manual now?

[imc43]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

Waiting for all the weight comments 🤣

and? it comes to a point where it will impact the sporty feel of driving no matter what they do to the suspension or tire width.

porsche has kept their gt3s light. weight gain has been pretty minimal compared to m3s over the years, and it shows. nothing comes out of a corner like a porsche.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by anakha

I also wonder how big the 48V system will be and the weight consequences.

usually 100kg/200lb

[MaC-N54-E82]

Smart play by BMW to fund both versions and let consumers decide. As always, I’ll reserve judgement until I drive them. Until then I’ll continue to enjoy the S58 driving experience.

[SwankPeRFection]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

Waiting for all the weight comments 🤣

Now the weight fits those thunder hips. 🤣

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by lonestar22

I dont think anyone thought the manual M3 would survive this generation. The take rate is extremely low even though everyone says they want one.

To be fair, they did force buyers to give up AWD and ~100 ft lbs if they wanted a stick. Kind of a dick move.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by lonestar22

Why put that much effort in when no one is buying the manual now?

I think because at the end of the day- there may be a small faction of enthusiasts that still engineer over at bmw.

I think if they added awd to current ice manuals- it would draw another crowd bmw is overlooking as well.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by lonestar22

I dont think anyone thought the manual M3 would survive this generation. The take rate is extremely low even though everyone says they want one.

Originally Posted by lonestar22

Why put that much effort in when no one is buying the manual now?

Where are you getting this info from? Because F series M3/4 was 40% manual take rate, F87 was over 50%, G87 is over 50%. Pretty sure the manual G80/2 is fairly high too, not 50% high, but high enough to justify keeping it.

[Rux]

BOOOOOOOO

[G30M]

the S58 really needs some torque fill below 3000rpm. fingers crossed.

[hb]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Where are you getting this info from? Because F series M3/4 was 40% manual take rate, F87 was over 50%, G87 is over 50%. Pretty sure the manual G80/2 is fairly high too, not 50% high, but high enough to justify keeping it.

It's only that high in the US, unfortunately not enough. You need a lot more of those globally to build a business case

[bavarianboar]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

Waiting for all the weight comments 🤣

Less than 48lbs of additional weight for 48V battery system, should be palatable

[moriluvatar]

2025 - “ BMW Executive shocked to discover that Porsche can raise the price of its GT3 touring by $50,000 per year and still sell out because it has all of the features that enthusiasts want - weight management, a manual transmission, and lovely viewing angles”.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by kjx

All the M340i, M440i cars already have mild-hybrid. And have for a few years now. Nothing new here to really be concerned about.

Yeah, they're REALLY pushing the envelope with M3, lol. [/Sarcasm.]

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

To be fair, they did force buyers to give up AWD and ~100 ft lbs if they wanted a stick. Kind of a dick move.

Also, dealers hear "manual M3" and get hella greedy. Forget about a discount, they tell you they don't know when it'll come in, there may be markups, etc etc etc.

They'd sell a hell of a lot more of them if BMW and their dealers weren't both sabotaging them.

In the mean time, E39 M5s keep getting more expensive because as it turns out, some people want a nicely sized manual sport sedan.

[Alpine Wait]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

Why make two?!

Because dogma.

Cue the cries of ‘an EV has no soul’.

[ChrisM4]

Sounds like it’ll be the 48V hybrid already being used elsewhere in the lineup. It won’t weigh that much and will also provide some nice torque fill on the S58. I’m looking forward to seeing the spy shots.