[sokdo]

What's actually funny is that they intended the S line to compete agianst M3 and the A4 v6 to compete with the 335i and the a4 2.0t to compete with the 328i's but they were getting spanked so they dropped the a4 v6 and "lowered" the price of the s4 to 335i range and they call it a fair comparison It's like purposely degrading yourself out of say a major league to a minor league so you look better and play against less skilled athletes. However, I still do think Audi's make great cars but these comparos are hilarious and what message the audi team is trying to send which is : If we can't beat em, aim for the next highest!

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by sokdo

What's actually funny is that they intended the S line to compete agianst M3 and the A4 v6 to compete with the 335i and the a4 2.0t to compete with the 328i's but they were getting spanked so they dropped the a4 v6 and "lowered" the price of the s4 to 335i range and they call it a fair comparison It's like purposely degrading yourself out of say a major league to a minor league so you look better and play against less skilled athletes. However, I still do think Audi's make great cars but these comparos are hilarious and what message the audi team is trying to send which is : If we can't beat em, aim for the next highest!

I guess the RS4 is competing against...

It is very clear that the:
A4 2.0T vs. 328i
S4 vs 335 (FI 6-cyl)
RS4 vs M3 (V8)

In the NA.


WHy would you compare a FI V6 vs. V8?
Why would you compare the 300+ HP vs. 400+ HP
Why would you compare the $46k Base Price S4 vs. $56,5k Equally equipped "Base" M3 E90

Base S4 = 335XI + Cold PKG + ZSP + ZPP.
Base S4 = $46k (MSRP)
335XI + Cold + ZSP + ZPP = $48k

Your comments above make absolutely no sense, but obviously make you feel better

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by shiggy

its funny how many Audi fan boiz are posting on a BMW forum. it may boil down to the following reason's and ill see how this plays out....LOL
1) they are like an ugly fat kid wanna hang out with the cool kids.
2) Not enough Audi owners are enthusiastic with their purchase so their forum sucks.
3) their a bunch of fudge packin douchebags that troll around BMW, Mercedes and Porsche forums.
4) they realize that BMW owners are happier with their purchase more than they are and want to bring us down with them.
5) they are morons
6) they are a$$holes
7) they are lonely souls looking for company.
8) they are nervously happy that the S4 beat out the 335i in a comparo and not realizing the 335I has been out since 2007 and know that when the new model arrives next year....the S4 is going to get spanked....
so.........

How old are you?

[shiggy]

Originally Posted by dr325i

How old are you?

oops....hit a nerve did I?....i was only kiddin...dont be so sensitive...sheeshk

[MrHarris]

I'd pick the new S4 over the e90 LCI 335.

[Guibo]

Originally Posted by memphis2012

i think people get caught up on the Top Gear type of testing and results... 0-60, quarter miles, mpg, slalom, 60-0 and things like that, that's not how you're gonna drive everyday, a car may be the best in the track, but complete garbage in the streets.

In the areas that BMW's typically excel (subjective ratings), the Audi met or beat the BMW.

S4 / 335i
Handling: 10 / 9
Ride: 9 / 9
Steering feel: 5 / 5
Braking feel: 5 /4 (and the Audi's stops were more consistent)
Transmission: 9 / 8
Fun to drive: 25 / 24

I think BMW should learn a lot from Audi's drive select with user-programmable (and uncoupled) settings. Granted the E90 has been around for awhile, but still.

[footie]

Originally Posted by sokdo

What's actually funny is that they intended the S line to compete agianst M3 and the A4 v6 to compete with the 335i and the a4 2.0t to compete with the 328i's but they were getting spanked so they dropped the a4 v6 and "lowered" the price of the s4 to 335i range and they call it a fair comparison It's like purposely degrading yourself out of say a major league to a minor league so you look better and play against less skilled athletes. However, I still do think Audi's make great cars but these comparos are hilarious and what message the audi team is trying to send which is : If we can't beat em, aim for the next highest!

Tell me, did you actually think about what you wrote before you clicked the 'Submit Reply' button.

The B6/7 S4 matched the then E46 M3 in output, and just prior to the end of production they introduced the RS4 with 420hp. It wasn't Audi moving the goal posts but BMW that did it, I suppose it was it was only a matter of time until BMW shifted it's attention from the S to the RS model. When they introduction the next M3 it upped the power to compete with the RS4 and caused shift to shift the next S4 down to compete with the 335i.

Currently the M3 is a better car than the RS4 but by equal measure the the S4 is a better car than the 335i.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by sokdo

What's actually funny is that they intended the S line to compete agianst M3 and the A4 v6 to compete with the 335i and the a4 2.0t to compete with the 328i's but they were getting spanked so they dropped the a4 v6 and "lowered" the price of the s4 to 335i range and they call it a fair comparison It's like purposely degrading yourself out of say a major league to a minor league so you look better and play against less skilled athletes. However, I still do think Audi's make great cars but these comparos are hilarious and what message the audi team is trying to send which is : If we can't beat em, aim for the next highest!

The first run-on sentence is pretty accurate, but from there, this makes absolutely no sense (and I'm referring to content; I'd rather not touch the grammar).

[UdubBadger]

[BlackjackMulligan]

I'd take an S4 over a 335xi anyday of the week, if for not other reason that the interior of the 3er is dated and bland....the interior of the S4 is fresh and gorgeous.

[UdubBadger]

Originally Posted by footie

Tell me, did you actually think about what you wrote before you clicked the 'Submit Reply' button.

The B6/7 S4 matched the then E46 M3 in output, and just prior to the end of production they introduced the RS4 with 420hp. It wasn't Audi moving the goal posts but BMW that did it, I suppose it was it was only a matter of time until BMW shifted it's attention from the S to the RS model. When they introduction the next M3 it upped the power to compete with the RS4 and caused shift to shift the next S4 down to compete with the 335i.

Currently the M3 is a better car than the RS4 but by equal measure the the S4 is a better car than the 335i.

I disagree... they are pretty evenly matched. You have to remember that even though the new S4 gets a bit more power off the bat, with a proper tune, they will both reach about 400whp with full stage 3 tuning. The 335 might actually have a bit less power (tuned or not) but it also weighs about 400 lbs less than the ALMOST 2 ton S4.

Audi makes great cars, the interiors are much better laid out than the 3's IMO but they need a lesson in creating an attractive rear end. It almost looks like they did everything they could with the entire car but forgot about the back and did it like 10 min before they presented the final designs.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by UdubBadger

Audi makes great cars, the interiors are much better laid out than the 3's IMO but they need a lesson in creating an attractive rear end. It almost looks like they did everything they could with the entire car but forgot about the back and did it like 10 min before they presented the final designs.

I agree that the rear end of the car is definitely missing something, but I also think it could be great with a CSL-style bootlid, or even a well thought out lip. It just seems to sag visually. The rest of the car is great though.

[3002 tii]

Originally Posted by sokdo

What's actually funny is that they intended the S line to compete agianst M3 and the A4 v6 to compete with the 335i and the a4 2.0t to compete with the 328i's but they were getting spanked so they dropped the a4 v6 and "lowered" the price of the s4 to 335i range and they call it a fair comparison It's like purposely degrading yourself out of say a major league to a minor league so you look better and play against less skilled athletes. However, I still do think Audi's make great cars but these comparos are hilarious and what message the audi team is trying to send which is : If we can't beat em, aim for the next highest!

LOL

fanboy-ism at its best.

[UdubBadger]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

I agree that the rear end of the car is definitely missing something, but I also think it could be great with a CSL-style bootlid, or even a well thought out lip. It just seems to sag visually. The rest of the car is great though.

even with that... the tails look like squinting eyes... not very visually fitting on a car that has a very "full figured" look to it

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by shiggy

oops....hit a nerve did I?....i was only kiddin...dont be so sensitive...sheeshk

When you grow up, you will realize that a 15-year-old cannot really provoke a mature person with a dumb comment...

[ragingclue]

I just can't figure out why they went with such a low rear waistline and a dipping character line in the rear quarter. Seems to give the same visual impression that the godawful first gen CLS had in the rear. Reminds me of a banana. I think that the rear of cars like these should "bulge" and look muscular, with cues that build up their perceived visual size, rather than shrink it.

[UdubBadger]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

I just can't figure out why they went with such a low rear waistline and a dipping character line in the rear quarter. Seems to give the same visual impression that the godawful first gen CLS had in the rear. Reminds me of a banana. I think that the rear of cars like these should "bulge" and look muscular, with cues that build up their perceived visual size, rather than shrink it.

well put +1

[shiggy]

Originally Posted by dr325i

When you grow up, you will realize that a 15-year-old cannot really provoke a mature person with a dumb comment...

ok sparky....dont get all pissy....
i was only kidding with my original post....it was just a recent observation that there are many Audi owners on this BMW site.....I could care less really......but when guys come on here (on a BMW site) and start dissing BMW and stating how great Audi is...I just think its a bunch of trolls stirring up shit.
I for one love Audi....also a Porsche fan...Mercedes Benz fan and well as a BMW fan. For the past 20 yrs or so, my garage has had two German cars in it...including Audi. I loved my 2001 A6 4.2....two years later i swapped it out with a 2003 RS6...and still to this day remains as one of my favorite V8 engines!
I now own a 2007 335I and a 2004 Carrera 4S....im going to keep my 4S and replace my 335I with an M3 because my lease is up.....im a fan of german engineering....always have ....always will...but you will never find me on a Lexus forum dissing how much the IS 350 sucks......
anyway...nuff said...your too freakin sensitive!

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by shiggy

ok sparky....dont get all pissy....
i was only kidding with my original post....it was just a recent observation that there are many Audi owners on this BMW site.....I could care less really......but when guys come on here (on a BMW site) and start dissing BMW and stating how great Audi is...I just think its a bunch of trolls stirring up shit.
I for one love Audi....also a Porsche fan...Mercedes Benz fan and well as a BMW fan. For the past 20 yrs or so, my garage has had two German cars in it...including Audi. I loved my 2001 A6 4.2....two years later i swapped it out with a 2003 RS6...and still to this day remains as one of my favorite V8 engines!
I now own a 2007 335I and a 2004 Carrera 4S....im going to keep my 4S and replace my 335I with an M3 because my lease is up.....im a fan of german engineering....always have ....always will...but you will never find me on a Lexus forum dissing how much the IS 350 sucks......
anyway...nuff said...your too freakin sensitive!

OK, no problem.
BTW, see my Nick. I came off the Bimmer. Tested the 335i, M3 E90, S4, G37, C63... All great cars, decided to go with the S4. So far, completely happy with the decision...

Honesly, I have NOT seen anyone here "dissing how much ANY Bimmer sucks..."

[escobar929]

both are solid car, i would still take the e90 335i though

call me bias

[cgeorge]

in rain i would take the S4. Have you ever driven one in rain? with that quattro you can floor it and still come out in control. If i did that in my 335i, then id be on the road in a ditch.

[Nawaaz]

Tough choice.

Although I've heard very impressive things about the new S4.

I'd have to test drive both in order to find out.