[Augenbrauezug]

Originally Posted by richpuer

actually shark fin is believed to have great effects on virility and gives men extra strength and stamina for u know what...thats why they consume it...not because of taste...also thought to increase females sexual desire...libido, all that shit

Cialis don't hurt no body.

[infinitekidM2C]

Seems like California aint havin it!

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...ng-banned.html

[Augenbrauezug]

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

Foie gras anyone? Let's not act like this is anything special or new to society.

Didn't know what foie gras was until a moment ago, but the difference still lies in the over farming of sharks.

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by Augenbrauezug

Didn't know what foie gras was until a moment ago, but the difference still lies in the over farming of sharks.

You peasant..jk.. my point is more about animal cruelty only for the sake of our palate..

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by richpuer

actually shark fin is believed to have great effects on virility and gives men extra strength and stamina for u know what...thats why they consume it...not because of taste...also thought to increase females sexual desire...libido, all that shit

Just like the common belief in Africa that sex with a virgin cures HIV/AIDS? It's this type or ridiculous but "traditional" belief that perpetuates this type of stupidity.

[Augenbrauezug]

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

You peasant..jk.. my point is more about animal cruelty only for the sake of our palate..

I understand your point and agree, I read about how they fatten the ducks, sounds horrible. There really isn't much defense for doing things like this, cultural reasons are bullshit.

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

Foie gras anyone? Let's not act like this is anything special or new to society.

Those birds are raised/cultivated for that purpose in a controlled manner in a similar fashion to cattle or pigs. Our cattle is also fed foods that are not natural to them (though not forcefully so, as with foie gras). Is it humane? Not really and I don't support that either, however it is far from the ecosystem deterioration that the shark fin cultivation is causing. Sharks are pulled from the wild, maimed, then returned to the wild to die.

Judging by your avatar you are clearly an anti-shark advocate with a vested interest in the perpetuation of the finning industry. Shame on you, sir.

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

Those birds are raised/cultivated for that purpose in a controlled manor in a similar fashion to cattle or pigs. Our cattle is also fed foods that are not natural to them (though not forcefully so, as with foie gras). Sharks are pulled from the wild, maimed, then returned to the wild to die.

Judging by your avatar you are clearly an anti-shark advocate with a vested interest in the perpetuation of the finning industry. Shame on you, sir.

I don't care if they are in the wild or in a controlled environment KOJ, cruelty is cruelty. Are you really saying that farming animals and then being cruel to them is better than taking them out of the wild and then being cruel?

[just4kickz]

Originally Posted by NYCGP

Yeah they do... Humane Society... PETA. The list goes on and on.

People aren't singling out Asians.. What is being done with sharks is disgusting.. Whether you like it or not. It's wasteful and borderline ridiculous to remove less than 3% of an animal's meat and then throw it over board.

I love veal. Do I recognize how inhumane it is kill calves for their meat? Yes. But at least they aren't simply killing the cow for a fraction of it's meat and then let the rest of it just rot.

Not to mention the calves are being raised for the sole purpose of their meat. Unlike the situation with shark fin soup, where you are long lining for 100's of sharks and the return is only a couple hundred lbs of meat. While 1000's of lbs of meat are being dumped back into the ocean. These sharks are part of the food chain... farm raised chickens and cattle are not.

Simply put... your argument is that ignorance is bliss.

what? don't really want to debate on this subject, but i doubt the majority of americans know where their food comes from/the whole process of getting food on their plates. sure our system is more humane than others, but its far from perfect. if you aren't vegan, you're being cruel to animals--at least that's my interpretation... in the end the majority of people do not care as much as you. i am not a part of the humane society nor of PETA... are you?

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

I don't care if they are in the wild or in a controlled environment KOJ, cruelty is cruelty. Are you really saying that farming animals and then being cruel to them is better than taking them out of the wild and then being cruel?

Have you seen Food, Inc.? There is very little about the meat industry in the US that is not "cruel." My point is that there is not a threat to the population and existence of geese, cattle, chickens, or pigs. There is a legitimate threat from this practice to the existence of sharks in our oceans and the ecosystem as a whole.

[just4kickz]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

There is a legitimate threat from this practice to the existence of sharks in our oceans and the ecosystem as a whole.

agreed but its not only sharks...

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

Have you seen Food, Inc.? There is very little about the meat industry in the US that is not "cruel." My point is that there is not a threat to the population and existence of geese, cattle, chickens, or pigs. There is a legitimate threat from this practice to the existence of sharks in our oceans and the ecosystem as a whole.

I've seen it. If your point is that it's a bit worse re sharks because of the added element of potential extinction, then i have to agree.

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by just4kickz

agreed but its not only sharks...

Well aware. Whales are another high risk situation and dolphins as well. These are addressable problems but it has to be a global effort. One country's indifference ruins the entire effort (ie Japanese whaling).

[ES_TRADER]

what about Whaling?? the Japanese kill the whales and eat the whole thing...but they still get shit for it too...its not like they just slice the whale fins off and toss the carcass back in the ocean...i think anything that Americans don't eat they consider it inhumane if some other culture kills it for food...

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by richpuer

what about Whaling?? the Japanese kill the whales and eat the whole thing...but they still get shit for it too...its not like they just slice the whale fins off and toss the carcass back in the ocean...i think anything that Americans don't eat they consider it inhumane if some other culture kills it for food...

I'm confident that you are intelligent enough to see the issue with whaling and why that is a very dire situation...

[ES_TRADER]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

I'm confident that you are intelligent enough to see the issue with whaling and why that is a very dire situation...

of course...i watch Whale Wars...never missed a season...i do indeed "see the issue." whether or not i agree with it, is another story...but i wont get into that here...or what my thoughts on that issue are

[NYCGP]

Originally Posted by just4kickz

agreed but its not only sharks...

... ok. But this conversation is about sharks... Are whales at risk..? yes. But we are talking about the effects of shark fin soup consumption on the population of sharks. If it was shark steak soup, the problem wouldn't be nearly as profound.

The only reason other species were brought into the conversation was because comparisons were made that weren't necessarily relevant.

[TK-421]

Thanks for posting OP. It made me aware so I'll never eat that barbaric dish and I'll spread the word.

[jumpthewire]

"The measure of a society can be how well its people treat its animals." - Mohandas Gandhi

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by NYCGP

... ok. But this conversation is about sharks... Are whales at risk..? yes. But we are talking about the effects of shark fin soup consumption on the population of sharks. If it was shark steak soup, the problem wouldn't be nearly as profound.

The only reason other species were brought into the conversation was because comparisons were made that weren't necessarily relevant.

Agreed. It's common knowledge that there are other species being inhumanely treated but this is about sharks.

[NYCGP]

Originally Posted by richpuer

of course...i watch Whale Wars...never missed a season...i do indeed "see the issue." whether or not i agree with it, is another story...but i wont get into that here...or what my thoughts on that issue are

The Sea Sheppards are fucking terrorists... But whales are protected world wide for a reason... That reason is not because Americans don't understand other countries need to consume them. That was a rather ignorant comment and the part that I quoted was a text book back track.

[UltimateBMW]

Originally Posted by jumpthewire

"The measure of a society can be how well its people treat its animals." - Mohandas Gandhi

It 'can' be, but it's not always.