[Q4P]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

WTF?! Beetle, anyone? Subarii have been pretty darn reliable for decades with flat fours too.

There is an optional mechanical LSD on both the Scion and Subie.

Like I said; it's debatable but not something worth arguing about... these are new cars so not like it truly matters anyways. The direct injection is a nice touch as well although that will hinder most turbocharging efforts at least for a while. The curb weight looks fantastic too and the neutral steering should be nice for autocross events as well, does anyone know pricing or availability in US?

[Red Bread]

There are plenty of mildly reliable DI turbo engine, the VW/Audi TSI/TFSI and BMW N54/N55 engines come to mind.

The weight of this car isn't impressive to me, as it's been weighed at 2900 pounds.

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

The weight of this car isn't impressive to me, as it's been weighed at 2900 pounds.

Wow. Really? That's a lot heavier than expected. Especially for a car that's supposed to be an '86 successor.

[Sylon]

The Subaru boxer engine is incredibly reliable, if you learn to leave it alone. However, if you do decide to tinker with it, with it being Japanese and all, parts are cheap.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

Wow. Really? That's a lot heavier than expected. Especially for a car that's supposed to be an '86 successor.

Agreed. They're claiming 2,690, but I recall seeing a 2,900 pound quote from an actual test, but can't locate it at the moment. Hopefully it's closer to the 2,700ish range.

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by Sylon

The Subaru boxer engine is incredibly reliable, if you learn to leave it alone. However, if you do decide to tinker with it, with it being Japanese and all, parts are cheap.

I agree... although isn't this car meant to be aimed at people that do just the opposite? I don't exactly see an older crowd buying this vehicle but instead enthusiasts that like to tinker with their cars... the direct injection seems to work against that as well in terms of aftermarket turboing; so I am having a difficult time understanding this car.

[rfx45]

It's been confirmed to be 2711 lbs and they are releasing a purist version in Japan (steelies, no a/c, no cupholders, etc...) that will reduce the weight to 2623 lbs but also at a cheaper price (unlike Porsche who removes these things but makes the car more expensive).

[Sylon]

Originally Posted by Q4P

I agree... although isn't this car meant to be aimed at people that do just the opposite? I don't exactly see an older crowd buying this vehicle but instead enthusiasts that like to tinker with their cars... the direct injection seems to work against that as well in terms of aftermarket turboing; so I am having a difficult time understanding this car.

True, as long as the block can handle a turbo, then I can see it being a tuner's paradise.

Originally Posted by rfx45

It's been confirmed to be 2711 lbs and they are releasing a purist version in Japan (steelies, no a/c, no cupholders, etc...) that will reduce the weight to 2623 lbs but also at a cheaper price (unlike Porsche who removes these things but makes the car more expensive).

Him, I'd rather keep the extra 90lbs and enjoy the car comfortably. I didn't know cup holders weighed anything. Last time I checked, they are an empty void, wouldn't having cup holders weigh less than not having cup holders?

[NewYearsBoy]

Sorry but Im not talking about quality It just looks way to boy racer. Just because its cheap doent mean it cant look nicer inside and out.

[NewYearsBoy]

Originally Posted by krnboy817

definitely feel the same way. its as if the manufacturers knew of the same thing. why? for one thing... they put that scion badge for U.S. market and not toyota. i can see TC owners trading "up" but cant see camry owners doing the same.

and all this while knowing their sub-brand subaru is also selling the same car with slightly better looks and tad bit better interior.

guess either way it diminishes the meaning of 86...

I agree about that too. When I saw the car with all of the different badges in it I was like WTF.

Originally Posted by wisesoul

It's not a luxury car. There had to be compromise in order to save weight and money. I quite like the exterior

I guess looks are in the eye of the beholder.

[NewYearsBoy]

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

common sense is lost on some isnt it wisesoul?...its a cheap, fun, light car with a decent engine and layout..

HUH? Just because things are not expensive does not mean they have to look like junk.

[Cdnrockies]

Hilarious to listen to 1 series owners criticize the look of any car.

[Crimson92]

Originally Posted by Cdnrockies

Hilarious to listen to 1 series owners criticize the look of any car.

Truer words have never been spoken.

[johanness]

Originally Posted by Cdnrockies

Hilarious to listen to 1 series owners criticize the look of any car.

Zing

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by rfx45

It's been confirmed to be 2711 lbs and they are releasing a purist version in Japan (steelies, no a/c, no cupholders, etc...) that will reduce the weight to 2623 lbs but also at a cheaper price (unlike Porsche who removes these things but makes the car more expensive).

This one, standard on 16" steel wheels, great for the 'build-your-own' Japanese tuning scene:

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

This one, standard on 16" steel wheels, great for the 'build-your-own' Japanese tuning scene:

whoa, i like that!

No way we are getting that in the USA but it seem like a perfect option for a tuner.

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by Stoutnj89

HUH? Just because things are not expensive does not mean they have to look like junk.

look like junk? you really think it looks like "junk"

i personally don't but you're entitled to your opinion; carry on

[RWD Jan]

I quite like it as its so close to the original AE86: Fun > speed I'll give it a try for sure!

I love my 86 even if interior is cheap and power is low:

[jayson]

Neat car, been following it for some time. I seem to remember hearing mumblings of an AWD Subaru version as well?

[NewYearsBoy]

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

look like junk? you really think it looks like "junk"

i personally don't but you're entitled to your opinion; carry on

I did not say the car looks like junk.. I said things that are not expensive do not have to look like junk. The car is ugly, it does not look like junk.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by jayson

Neat car, been following it for some time. I seem to remember hearing mumblings of an AWD Subaru version as well?

No way to mount the AWD drivetrain in that chassis and still keep the engine that low. So probably not. It doesn't even make sense from a marketing standpoint. There's always the WRX.

[mmm def]

Originally Posted by stefan

No way to mount the AWD drivetrain in that chassis and still keep the engine that low. So probably not. It doesn't even make sense from a marketing standpoint. There's always the WRX.

We NEED more cheap rwd options out there.