[toofasttooslow]

And as far as why they haven't sold their stories to make a lot of money... there's more to life than money my friend. The destruction of a country and fear for your life tend to keep you in check. If you were involved in this conspiracy and blabbed to the press there would be no place remote enough on this planet to hide from the people who would be tracking you down.

[SteveMD]

So you are saying that had the moon shots failed at a certain point, they would have faked the remainder of the trip?

So how would they fake re-entry, splashdown and Command Module recovery? Or were they to perish on the moon to fit the story?

Apollo 13 failed yet we all know what happened there. No fake pics from the moon.

[The Cleaner]

I love this topic, so what was in the APOLLO rockets when they shot into the sky? How come if they were empty we don't see them in orbit today? And what about all the guys in Huston, they all got faked out by these few people also? And the scientists that managed to get APOLLO 13 back were scammed? why did that have to happen?

[SteveMD]

Originally Posted by gum5h03

And as far as why they haven't sold their stories to make a lot of money... there's more to life than money my friend. The destruction of a country and fear for your life tend to keep you in check. If you were involved in this conspiracy and blabbed to the press there would be no place remote enough on this planet to hide from the people who would be tracking you down.

You have to be kidding me. You have never worked alongside a disgruntled employee. Or one that has been fired. And money is everything to most people. These people for the most part were paid government scaled wages. Nobody was rich.

Yet nobody has even told a relative or casual aquaintance in a pub after a few beers never mind a major network. If Abu Graib (sp?) couldn't be kept quiet, how would you expect a ten billion dollar fake space program to be kept quiet. Remember..the government is not smart.

Too many people involved to fake a moonshot my friend. And you have to show proof which none of the hoaxers can ever produce.

[The Cleaner]

Originally Posted by SteveMD

So you are saying that had the moon shots failed at a certain point, they would have faked the remainder of the trip?

So how would they fake re-entry, splashdown and Command Module recovery? Or were they to perish on the moon to fit the story?

Apollo 13 failed yet we all know what happened there. No fake pics from the moon.

Yes and splashdown, I'd love to hear how that was faked. I have watched a few shows that are very convincing on this topic, but there is no smoking gun yet....

[toofasttooslow]

Originally Posted by SteveMD

So you are saying that had the moon shots failed at a certain point, they would have faked the remainder of the trip?

So how would they fake re-entry, splashdown and Command Module recovery? Or were they to perish on the moon to fit the story?

Apollo 13 failed yet we all know what happened there. No fake pics from the moon.

All I'm saying is that there was no way the mission was going to fail - no matter what. Let me pose it to you another way. Why in the past 40 years haven't we gone back? I'll answer that for you. Because it's too difficult to do, even with today's technology. The moon has viable scientific data to be mined, much more so than the 0 gravity experiments that we do today in the shuttles but the risk of mission failure is HUGE. So tell me, how did we get so lucky that the first time ever we were able to succssfully launch, land,launch,land a mission to the moon? Luck?

[toofasttooslow]

Originally Posted by The Cleaner

Yes and splashdown, I'd love to hear how that was faked. I have watched a few shows that are very convincing on this topic, but there is no smoking gun yet....

FYI, plenty of Saturn splashdown footage that could be doctored and re-used. The general public wouldn't know the difference and the few that did would be labeled crackpots or conspirists.

[SteveMD]

Originally Posted by gum5h03

All I'm saying is that there was no way the mission was going to fail - no matter what. Let me pose it to you another way. Why in the past 40 years haven't we gone back? I'll answer that for you. Because it's too difficult to do, even with today's technology. The moon has viable scientific data to be mined, much more so than the 0 gravity experiments that we do today in the shuttles but the risk of mission failure is HUGE. So tell me, how did we get so lucky that the first time ever we were able to succssfully launch, land,launch,land a mission to the moon? Luck?

Total BS. We went to the moon in the 60s for political reasons - to beat the Russians to it. The final three Apollos were cancelled by congress for financial reasons.

It is not too difficult to do today but NASA would never get the funding. I don't know where you are pulling your statements from but there is little scientific reason for going back today.

Let me ask you this. What would you need to see to change your belief that it was staged? Photos of the 6 LEMs on the moon maybe? Or the moon rovers? Because next year, you will get them. Taken by a new Lunar Satellite which will survey and photo the moon. The Chinese are sending one too. So unless you think the Chinese are 'in on it' too, you have about 9 months to change your mind or look like a dolt along with all the other tin foil hatters.

[toofasttooslow]

Originally Posted by SteveMD

Total BS. We went to the moon in the 60s for political reasons - to beat the Russians to it. The final three Apollos were cancelled by congress for financial reasons.

It is not too difficult to do today but NASA would never get the funding. I don't know where you are pulling your statements from but there is little scientific reason for going back today.

Let me ask you this. What would you need to see to change your belief that it was staged? Photos of the 6 LEMs on the moon maybe? Or the moon rovers? Because next year, you will get them. Taken by a new Lunar Satellite which will survey and photo the moon. The Chinese are sending one too. So unless you think the Chinese are 'in on it' too, you have about 9 months to change your mind or look like a dolt along with all the other tin foil hatters.

No, no, I know that we went to the moon. I'm trying to get the point across that there were indeed contingency plans in place and that the mission would have succeeded regardless of the true outcome. And where do you get your statements from? We sent a few guys up for a short period of time, collected some rocks and left and that constitutes scientific experiments in your mind? Please. I would have hoped that you at least learned in Biology that science is always progressing and there is always more to discover.

[The Cleaner]

Originally Posted by gum5h03

FYI, plenty of Saturn splashdown footage that could be doctored and re-used. The general public wouldn't know the difference and the few that did would be labeled crackpots or conspirists.

And the launch? people camped out to see that. They had to launch all those rockets and if they were unmanned than they are out there and no one has seen them?

[toofasttooslow]

Originally Posted by The Cleaner

And the launch? people camped out to see that. They had to launch all those rockets and if they were unmanned than they are out there and no one has seen them?

Why couldn't they have done a Saturn type of launch where the astronauts just orbited the earth for the entire trip then splashed down like normal. Maybe they were brainwashed or were under mind altering drugs. Who knows. Plenty of holes in the conspiracy theories surrounding this and also plenty of gotchas about the mission as a whole.

[RokX]

Is this thread for real???

[toofasttooslow]

Originally Posted by RokX

Is this thread for real???

No it's not real, just a conspiracy.

[SteveMD]

Originally Posted by gum5h03

Why couldn't they have done a Saturn type of launch where the astronauts just orbited the earth for the entire trip then splashed down like normal. Maybe they were brainwashed or were under mind altering drugs. Who knows. Plenty of holes in the conspiracy theories surrounding this and also plenty of gotchas about the mission as a whole.

Umm...because every tracking station on the planet including a lot of amateur radio astronomers tracked the Apollo craft to the moon and back and monitored their radio transmissions from the surface.

And again, had they not gone, the Russians would have chimed in. They would have very quickly discovered that the craft were not in orbit around the moon.

[SteveMD]

Originally Posted by gum5h03

FYI, plenty of Saturn splashdown footage that could be doctored and re-used. The general public wouldn't know the difference and the few that did would be labeled crackpots or conspirists.

Again - too many people would have to be involved including the occupants of half a dozen US Navy warships who would have to pretend that they just fished the command module out of the Pacific.

Oh...and never tell anyone for 40 years.

[toofasttooslow]

Originally Posted by SteveMD

Umm...because every tracking station on the planet including a lot of amateur radio astronomers tracked the Apollo craft to the moon and back and monitored their radio transmissions from the surface.

And again, had they not gone, the Russians would have chimed in. They would have very quickly discovered that the craft were not in orbit around the moon.

Yeah, radio transmissions are great for proving telemetry aren't they. You can't fake transmissions to make them appear weaker or stronger can you.

[Ruff Rider]

We went to the moon? Where was I? Damn drugs! But god those were good times :rocks:

[toofasttooslow]

Originally Posted by Ruff Rider

We went to the moon? Where was I? Damn drugs! But god those were good times :rocks:

ha, actually the moon doesn't even exist truely. It's all part of the matrix.

[toofasttooslow]

FYI, here is a good article behind the real deal of the conspiracy theories.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast23feb_2.htm

[SteveMD]

Originally Posted by gum5h03

Yeah, radio transmissions are great for proving telemetry aren't they. You can't fake transmissions to make them appear weaker or stronger can you.

Do you have any background in physics or astronomy? Your statement betrays your lack of it.

A radio telescope can pinpoint a radio or other electromagnetic transmission from stars light years away. One can certainly pinpoint a spacecraft at 240,000 miles.

Or do you think ones turns on a household radio and tunes to it to 'Lite 102' lol.

[mjh93sa]

I remain rather sceptical about the whole thing, maybe because I was born years after it and have grown up with all the theories, conspiratorial or otherwise. I guess at some level you at least start to think that there is no smoke without fire.

I have little doubt that man has orbitted the moon. It would be just too damned simple to have been missed by all the amateur and professional astronomers for them not to have set out for, and returned from the moon.

The landing? Who knows. Until there is some more concrete proof it all seems just a bit too easy. Kennedy made that often shown speach saying that man would go to the moon within the decade, and magically they just managed to do it in the last year of the decade and beat the russians. Coincidence, or time running out and they had to do something? Maybe it was a mix of fact and fiction.

The tech stuff as well. Having seen footage of the russian landing module that they planned to use it looked a damn site more capable than NASAs, with rockets that would fire to pin the thing to the surface and stop it from sliding, bouncing and generally tipping over. Generally they seemed to have a more engineered approach.

Radiation has also been mentioned. Solar flares are the real problem. From my textbooks it suggests that for a geostationary orbital base an equivalent shield protection of 21g/cm2 of Al is required (NASA SP-413 1977). The apollo command module had an equivalent shield thickness of 7.5g/cm2 resulting in a raditation dose of about 1.0rad. I believe from some of the examples given that this is about 100 times the level of background raditaion we experience on earth. So how much radiation do you then experience when walking about the moon? Comparisons with earth orbit and curren EVA activities are not completely valid as the earth's magnetic field deflects some of this raditaion.

As for those who are sceptical about people keeping quiet for that long. I think that it is entirely possible. There have been numerous cases through the years, Bletchley Park, Lockheed Skunk Works and who knows how many others that we just don't know about? It was a different age, people today are out to make all the money they can, but it wasn't always so.

Just my thoughts.

[Kiemyster]

Originally Posted by gum5h03

Yeah, radio transmissions are great for proving telemetry aren't they. You can't fake transmissions to make them appear weaker or stronger can you.

+1. think about it, radio transmitions wouldn't be hard to forge at all. all u need is a bunch of people, and a script to read. then transmit the signal and manipulate it. plus, how can a flag wave when there is no gravity/wind on the moon? wanna explain that one hot shot? (srry, felt like saying that last line, no harm intended loll)