[M5Rick]

Luton Airport LT multi storey car park disaster yesterday as 1200 cars destroyed and 5 people hospitalised to what is 'suspected' to be an EV self combusting and inaccessible to the fire service. There were no fire sprinklers in this car park.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...re-moment.html
''It was like a flame thrower''

[Tejas1836]

[QUOTE=M5Rick;30560426]Luton Airport LT multi storey car park disaster yesterday as 1200 cars destroyed and 5 people hospitalised to what is 'suspected' to be an EV self combusting and inaccessible to the fire service. There were no fire sprinklers in this car park.
I just saw that, holy crap! Collapsing structure. That just killed the EV movement

[KRS_SN]

Apparently it was a land rover (not EV) that started it.
The point remains though that whatever was the initial event the presence of a number of EVs in the carpark meant a match + a can of fuel situation.

[zx10guy]

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

2035 date aside if you are thinking of purchasing an EV then you need to watch this in it's entirety before deciding, sorry if it 'sucks' for some and like the journo says if you want ad free vids then move up to Prime. Again UK specific but may apply to many places overseas.

What’s the point of this video? I’ve never seen anything this silly.
Some obvious EV hating guy couldn’t find a charger for a while in a car park where there’s actually a charger. So his “milk-float” Porsche sucks. Okay, super informative (!)

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

What’s the point of this video? I’ve never seen anything this silly.
Some obvious EV hating guy couldn’t find a charger for a while in a car park where there’s actually a charger. So his “milk-float” Porsche sucks. Okay, super informative (!)

You might not find his EV prowess compelling but have you seen his video on, "An English Breakfast on a Pizza"? It moved me. Made me tear up.

[Murf the Surf]

[QUOTE=Tejas1836;30560477]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Luton Airport LT multi storey car park disaster yesterday as 1200 cars destroyed and 5 people hospitalised to what is 'suspected' to be an EV self combusting and inaccessible to the fire service. There were no fire sprinklers in this car park.
I just saw that, holy crap! Collapsing structure. That just killed the EV movement

I doubt this will kill the EV movement, but I suspect there will be more events like this. It doesn't matter if the fire started with an EV, if an EV catches fire s a result of an existing fire the problem is that much worse. I can see a time where you won't be allowed to park an EV in an underground garage or multi-level car park.

[gblansten]

Should we ban Range Rover products from garage decks as they may be the kindling for further fires?

I consider Range Rover as the underbrush of the automotive industry.

When we go camping we often bring a Range Rover product to help get the campfire going quickly.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Luton Airport LT multi storey car park disaster yesterday as 1200 cars destroyed and 5 people hospitalised to what is 'suspected' to be an EV self combusting and inaccessible to the fire service. There were no fire sprinklers in this car park.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...re-moment.html
''It was like a flame thrower''

No, step away from the misinformation.

Investigators think the fire started with a diesel vehicle, according to Chief Fire Officer Andrew Hopkinson of the Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

What’s the point of this video? I’ve never seen anything this silly.
Some obvious EV hating guy couldn’t find a charger for a while in a car park where there’s actually a charger. So his “milk-float” Porsche sucks. Okay, super informative (!)

Why not? It goes to show the day to day running of an EV that is on the go and not having the comfort of home charging and I did say UK specific.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Apparently it was a land rover (not EV) that started it.
The point remains though that whatever was the initial event the presence of a number of EVs in the carpark meant a match + a can of fuel situation.

It was suspected to be an EV so when they show a pic of it then I'll know to stop the guessing.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Maybe the Range Rover had a Li Time lithium 12V starter battery?

Good point Efthreeoh.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

The difficulty I have with this Range Rover theory is diesel or petrol cars mostly do not self-combust when parked unless there is a significant maintenance issue such as leaking fuel hoses or an electrical fire that then ignites the fuel system. There is nothing to cause a fire in a parked ICEV. Fire must have oxygen, fuel, and an ignition source (heat) to start. Unless the suspected Range Rover diesel had an electrical short in some electrical system component how would a fire self start in a parked ICE diesel vehicle?

Because EV batteries have oxygen, fuel (lithium), and heat within the battery itself, improper heat management is what causes a runaway EV battery fire to start. That is why EV fires are different, EV have the necessary elements for a fire to self ignite and remain lit. It is much more plausible that a parked EV will self-ignite vs. an ICEV (unless it is an N52-engine'd BMW )

At this point in the story, there is no "misinformation".

That's what I am having trouble with. The car park vid I posted from a daily shows the vehicle, whatever it is, appear to combust quite violently from the left side similar to the 'flame thrower' effect of other EV's I've seen ignite.
Without seing the burnt vehicle I can't take the word that 'it was reported' by someone that it was a diesel or some other vehicle.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Why not? It goes to show the day to day running of an EV that is on the go and not having the comfort of home charging and I did say UK specific.

No, from the moment the video starts, I can tell the video is a setup, he's a toxic hater, and a liar. Even before he reaches the car park, he's already complaining! I've been in UK recently, I know very well that their charging infrastructure is much better than U.S.. You can find chargers everywhere, and in UK 25% of new car sales are EVs, expected to reach 50% next year. So you need to be really uninformed - ignorant to believe misinformation videos like this.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

At this point in the story, there is no "misinformation".

There is misinformation, as the investigators found out that the fire was started by a diesel Land Rover. And that's the only INFORMATION available. So when you share the video with the headline 'EV caused fire', it's misinformation, it's a lie.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Maybe the Range Rover had a Li Time lithium 12V starter battery?

Sure, then its totally non sequitur, since this is a thread about EVs and not electrical systems/ICE batteries. It was 100% misinformation at the time it was posted.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

No, from the moment the video starts, I can tell the video is a setup, he's a toxic hater, and a liar. Even before he reaches the car park, he's already complaining! I've been in UK recently, I know very well that their charging infrastructure is much better than U.S.. You can find chargers everywhere, and in UK 25% of new car sales are EVs, expected to reach 50% next year. So you need to be really uninformed - ignorant to believe misinformation videos like this.

Why would he be lying if he leased his own EV, your argument is lukewarm.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

That's what I am having trouble with. The car park vid I posted from a daily shows the vehicle, whatever it is, appear to combust quite violently from the left side similar to the 'flame thrower' effect of other EV's I've seen ignite.
Without seing the burnt vehicle I can't take the word that 'it was reported' by someone that it was a diesel or some other vehicle.

The word from the fire chief is all we have right now, you are spreading disinformation at this point otherwise, trying to “fill the hole” of not knowing with your bias.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

That's what I am having trouble with. The car park vid I posted from a daily shows the vehicle, whatever it is, appear to combust quite violently from the left side similar to the 'flame thrower' effect of other EV's I've seen ignite.
Without seing the burnt vehicle I can't take the word that 'it was reported' by someone that it was a diesel or some other vehicle.

So when there is no evidence, you assume it's an EV.
When there is evidence, they need to convince you - a hater conspiracy theorist from U.S.. Why? You have evidence that investigators are lying?

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

There is misinformation, as the investigators found out that the fire was started by a diesel Land Rover. And that's the only INFORMATION available. So when you share the video with the headline 'EV caused fire', it's misinformation, it's a lie.

100%

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

There is misinformation, as the investigators found out that the fire was started by a diesel Land Rover. And that's the only INFORMATION available. So when you share the video with the headline 'EV caused fire', it's misinformation, it's a lie.

Same with the Fremantle Highway auto cargo fire. Assumed to be EVs as cause then that is turning out to be complete BS.

"While the fire is still officially listed as under investigation, the trade Automobilwoche contends the preliminary survey and report say apparently the fire was not caused by electric cars. The manifest showed there were 498 electric vehicles and hybrids and a total of 3,784 vehicles including some heavy equipment in addition to cars."

From a NON-EV oriented website:

https://maritime-executive.com/artic...mantle-highway

The final report is pending. There will be real EV fires but probably ought to focus on accuracy.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by RM7

The word from the fire chief is all we have right now, you are spreading disinformation at this point otherwise, trying to “fill the hole” of not knowing with your bias.

Who said it's too dangerous to enter the car park for fear of it collapsing, do keep up.