[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

Anyone want to go for a beer?

I would rather have strawberry shortcake.

[rebekahb]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

Anyone want to go for a beer?

I'll take a shot of vodka after reading the past few pages. upstatedoc maybe a DM to sedan could have saved us from wanting to beat our heads against the wall

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I would rather have strawberry shortcake.

Sounds like that would hit the spot quite nicely right about now.

[Sedan_Clan]

Illustrated as such.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Sounds like that would hit the spot quite nicely right about now.

That with some cookies & cream ice cream would really be nice. I'll see you at Handel's. Lol!

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

That with some cookies & cream ice cream would really be nice. I'll see you at Handel's. Lol!

Maybe some hot Dutch apple pie ala mode?

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

Anyone want to go for a beer?

We're all going for a drink, even Littlebear. After your very public execution tomorrow at 9am.

After all, this is all your fault.

[rebekahb]

I finished off the remainder of my Ben & Jerry's Phish Food a little while ago. It was heavenly!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by rebekahb

I finished off the remainder of my Ben & Jerry's Phish Food a little while ago. It was heavenly!

….and you didn't share?!?

Oh, did you get my message on IG?

[rebekahb]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

….and you didn't share?!?

Oh, did you get my message on IG?

I don't share when it comes to ice cream, lol.

Edit: just checked and don't have any messages.

[upstatedoc]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

We're all going for a drink, even Littlebear. After your very public execution tomorrow at 9am.

After all, this is all your fault.

Can you at least get me a good Cuban cigar?

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Please show me reputable sources showing that I'm wrong. I'm not interested in anything a reporter has to say, so find another source.

Here's my support:

https://covidquestions.ca/?utm_sourc...ent=question14

That's from the Canadian Medical Association....not the media, not a conspiracy theory group, etc. This is the association that governs all Canadian doctors. They say you can pass / spread / transmit COVID even while vaccinated.

It also says that if you come into contact with the virus (even though you are vaccinated) you can still contract it / get symptoms. But, it should do its job too and make your symptoms less such that you hopefully won't be hospitalized.

Which is all the vaccine was designed to do...help lessen the impact on the hospital system.

You're up.

Yes, so... what are you trying to argue about?

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by rebekahb

I'll take a shot of vodka after reading the past few pages. upstatedoc maybe a DM to sedan could have saved us from wanting to beat our heads against the wall

And of course, the lesson from rebekahb is that we all have the choice (!) of whether to beat our heads against a wall... and some enjoy it.

[vreihen16]

Trying to get back on topic, I ASSume that firing a taser from a moving police car at a moving motorcyclist is not proper procedure?????


https://midhudsonnews.com/2021/10/18...ng-police-car/

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

Can you at least get me a good Cuban cigar?

I *might* (in case the authorities are reading this) be able to arrange such a thing.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

I *might* (in case the authorities are reading this) be able to arrange such a thing.

I still have about 20 Cohiba's in my humidor......

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Ok, but again...specifically why is this an issue to you? So an unvaccinated cop or firefighter comes into contact with another person. Why is this an issue to you?

Are they causing greater harm to that person than a vaccinated person? The vaccine neither prevents you from getting COVID, or spreading COVID to the best of my knowledge. If so, what is the greater harm they cause over a vaccinated person?

Originally Posted by Littlebear

The issue is that everything you said above is wrong!

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Please show me reputable sources showing that I'm wrong. I'm not interested in anything a reporter has to say, so find another source.

Here's my support:

https://covidquestions.ca/?utm_sourc...ent=question14

That's from the Canadian Medical Association....not the media, not a conspiracy theory group, etc. This is the association that governs all Canadian doctors. They say you can pass / spread / transmit COVID even while vaccinated.

It also says that if you come into contact with the virus (even though you are vaccinated) you can still contract it / get symptoms. But, it should do its job too and make your symptoms less such that you hopefully won't be hospitalized.

Which is all the vaccine was designed to do...help lessen the impact on the hospital system.

You're up.

Originally Posted by Littlebear

Yes, so... what are you trying to argue about?

Seriously? You don't see any contradiction in your two bolded statements? The first one where you say that everything I said about the vaccine was wrong WHICH I THEN SUPPORTED WITH SOURCES, and then your second bolded statement WHERE YOU THEN SAY I'M RIGHT, despite saying I'm wrong immediately before?

You don't see that? Or are you again just trying to obfuscate the facts in any situation where you are proven to be wrong or where the facts do not support the narrative you'd like to push?

Sedan_Clan - I gotta say, initially I was sort of thinking Littlebear responses were made purposefully out of malice or ill intent, but now...based on his most recent exchanges, I'm thinking Hanlon's razor adequately explains Littlebear's responses now.

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Murf993

I still have about 20 Cohiba's in my humidor......

I really need to find someone going to Cuba soon, I'm down to about 4 RP's in my humidor, which is fine since I don't plan on having any more cigars till next summer...but would be nice to fill it back up again by next summer with some cubans.

Originally Posted by vreihen16

Trying to get back on topic, I ASSume that firing a taser from a moving police car at a moving motorcyclist is not proper procedure?????


https://midhudsonnews.com/2021/10/18...ng-police-car/

Oh man, that's some wild wild west stuff right there. I wonder what speed the motorcycle was travelling at when the unfortunate soul got tasered.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Seriously? You don't see any contradiction in your two bolded statements? The first one where you say that everything I said about the vaccine was wrong WHICH I THEN SUPPORTED WITH SOURCES, and then your second bolded statement WHERE YOU THEN SAY I'M RIGHT, despite saying I'm wrong immediately before?

You don't see that? Or are you again just trying to obfuscate the facts in any situation where you are proven to be wrong or where the facts do not support the narrative you'd like to push?

Sedan_Clan - I gotta say, initially I was sort of thinking Littlebear responses were made purposefully out of malice or ill intent, but now...based on his most recent exchanges, I'm thinking Hanlon's razor adequately explains Littlebear's responses now.

Joekerr, your two posts are in opposition to each other. In your second post the CMA says vaccines lessen symptoms & spread, but your first post says there is no difference.

"Fully vaccinated people are at a lower risk of becoming infected than unvaccinated people, but it can occasionally happen. This is called a breakthrough infection. If you do get a breakthrough infection, though, you are much less likely than an unvaccinated person to get sick enough to need to go to the hospital. This is because the vaccine helps your body to recognize the virus and develop antibodies to fight it."

We've been through this!!
(& then you wonder why I show little patience with you....)

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

Joekerr, your two posts are in opposition to each other. In your second post the CMA says vaccines lessen symptoms & spread, but your first post says there is no difference.

"Fully vaccinated people are at a lower risk of becoming infected than unvaccinated people, but it can occasionally happen. This is called a breakthrough infection. If you do get a breakthrough infection, though, you are much less likely than an unvaccinated person to get sick enough to need to go to the hospital. This is because the vaccine helps your body to recognize the virus and develop antibodies to fight it."

We've been through this!!
(& then you wonder why I show little patience with you....)

No, my first post said that vaccinated people can still contract and spread COVID and the vaccine does not prevent this from happening.

I never said the vaccine didn't make a difference, of course it does, it is supposed to lessen the symptoms such that you don't need to be hospitalized.

But if we both agree then (even though you said I was wrong) that you can contract and spread covid while vaccinated, then my point was - what greater harm is an unvaccinated first responder doing to another human over a vaccinated first responder, if both can spread covid.

Perhaps the vaccinated one (if either contracted covid at all in the first place which is an IF, not a guarantee) would have a shorter time that they were spreading, but still spreading just the same. And frankly, those times could even be similar, I don't know, because perhaps by the time the vaccinated one is finished spreading, that might coincide with the onset of symptoms in the unvaccinated one where they would quarantine anyways. Who knows.

And that is sort of the point - not enough is known about either the virus, or the vaccine, nor the long term effects of either. So perhaps you could be a little more lenient when it comes to people's right to choose whether to get the vaccine or not. Since I see very little argument for the fact that they are causing greater harm than the vaccinated person.

But go ahead, change my mind. Show me the significantly greater harm.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

Trying to get back on topic, I ASSume that firing a taser from a moving police car at a moving motorcyclist is not proper procedure?????


https://midhudsonnews.com/2021/10/18...ng-police-car/

Wow! I mean……motorcyclists can be a pain, especially when they run (…and they almost always do, even though the results are often perilous), but I wouldn't even waste a taser cartridge on them. That's definitely some out-of-policy thinking right there.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

....
Perhaps the vaccinated one (if either contracted covid at all in the first place which is an IF, not a guarantee) would have a shorter time that they were spreading, but still spreading just the same....

But go ahead, change my mind. Show me the significantly greater harm.

^^ this ^^

But not the same... much of the virus shed from a vaccinated person is less virulent than the shed from an unvaccinated person.

You can look this up on the innernet, or maybe in the past vaccine threads we have had here.