[bmw1racer]

Originally Posted by Rukuss

Damn did not know they were the worst.

Yup... They're 11-38.

[#Tee]

Originally Posted by Inspired

It's on national TV. Of course he gotta shoot lights out. He got 0 assist against Celtics. Surprising considering how they were playing last 5 games

oh you mean just like this heat game 5 assist in the first quarter..on national TV. oh man that felt good

[Inspired]

Originally Posted by ~XxPornxX~

oh you mean just like this heat game 5 assist in the first quarter..on national TV. oh man that felt good

Lol, where were you 3 days ago? You had to wait 3 days to reply to my post that wasn't even the same game I was referring to. How convenient for you.

Kobe still shooting.. 20 shots/ 28 points.

[M3forMe]

Originally Posted by Inspired

Lol, where were you 3 days ago? You had to wait 3 days to reply to my post that wasn't even the same game I was referring to. How convenient for you.

Kobe still shooting.. 20 shots/ 28 points.

Kobe's shooting had nothing to do with that loss. The turnovers and horrific defense on Lebron killed them.

[sensi09]

Against the celtics, it should be noted that bryant only took 15 shots. And look at Nash's assists in that game, only 5 assists.

With that said, way to much iso with bryant against the heat. I don't mind if he shoots a lot, but too much post up with no variety or movement. This trend seems to have started with the celtics game. Hard to get assists or hit an open man when there's no cutting and everyone is compacted on the other side of the floor.

Again, I don't mind Kobe posting up, but just the way the offense was ran, I'm not a fan of. Iso/post up on every play and forcing it in/causing turnovers. It's like the clippers style of play in the 4th.

But surprised that lots of the heat players were going for all of Kobe's fakes

[sensi09]

You guys focus way to much on the "number" of shots Kobe takes. The way the shots come in the flow of offense is more important than the sheer number.

Earl Clark almost had as many attempts as Kobe in that game. You can't tell that much by FGAs alone

[Inspired]

Originally Posted by M3forMe

Kobe's shooting had nothing to do with that loss. The turnovers and horrific defense on Lebron killed them.

Kobe's shooting wasn't the main reason they lost but it contributed to the loss. He had way too many low percentage shot. Sure he made some but he missed a lot also. You have to understand that when Kobe takes bad shot it knocks the momentum out of the rest of the team. Howard was pretty effective on the post in the first half but they stopped going to him in the second half.

What Kobe needs to do is let Nash run the offense. Kobe wants the ball too much. Nash plays more like a role player vs the reason the Lakers brought him into their team for is to anchor the offense. But Nash is just standing behind the arc waiting for Kobe to pass the ball to him when he's getting doubled team. I rarely see any pick and roll with Nash + Howard.

Also, instead of having Kobe jamming the ball to Howard in the post. That led to 2-3 turnovers. Nash should be responsible for that role.

[M3forMe]

Originally Posted by sensi09

You guys focus way to much on the "number" of shots Kobe takes. The way the shots come in the flow of offense is more important than the sheer number.

Earl Clark almost had as many attempts as Kobe in that game. You can't tell that much by FGAs alone

Your wrong. All the pros on here blame Kobe for every loss. Either he takes too many shots, doesn't get enough assists, plays bad defense etc etc. Only if Kobe has a perfect game and they win do the haters not come on here and blame him. I am surprised they haven't blamed him for Pau's injury some how.

[sensi09]

I agree that the offense should run through Nash more often, but before Kobe became more of a "passer," Nash leading the offense didn't work out very well either.....

I hope no one is wondering what the worth of Gasol is after the last three games.

[M3forMe]

Originally Posted by Inspired

Kobe's shooting wasn't the main reason they lost but it contributed to the loss. He had way too many low percentage shot. Sure he made some but he missed a lot also. You have to understand that when Kobe takes bad shot it knocks the momentum out of the rest of the team. Howard was pretty effective on the post in the first half but they stopped going to him in the second half.

What Kobe needs to do is let Nash run the offense. Kobe wants the ball too much. Nash plays more like a role player vs the reason the Lakers brought him into their team for is to anchor the offense. But Nash is just standing behind the arc waiting for Kobe to pass the ball to him when he's getting doubled team. I rarely see any pick and roll with Nash + Howard.

Also, instead of having Kobe jamming the ball to Howard in the post. That led to 2-3 turnovers. Nash should be responsible for that role.

You are accurate just like all the others on here. Trade Kobe and the Lakers will win the championship. He is a loser.

[Inspired]

Originally Posted by M3forMe

Your wrong. All the pros on here blame Kobe for every loss. Either he takes too many shots, doesn't get enough assists, plays bad defense etc etc. Only if Kobe has a perfect game and they win do the haters not come on here and blame him. I am surprised they haven't blamed him for Pau's injury some how.

Imagine if Michael Jordan had the best center in the league, one of the best power forward in the league, and still the top 3 PG in the league (after CP3, rondo) and can't get to .500. Of course everyone would be bashing MJ.

Remember how everyone criticize how Lebron had a POS team in Cavs and couldn't win a championship. The whole world criticized Lebron for choking even though he was doing all he could do to help his team win.

When you are the best player of the team and especially how hyped up Kobe is, every mistake will be criticized. And like I said since the beginning of the season. This team will not win with Kobe taking 20+ shots. Howard needs touches, Gasol needs touches, and most importantly the anchor of the offense Nash needs more touches.

[lastMleft]

Originally Posted by Inspired

Imagine if Michael Jordan had the best center in the league, one of the best power forward in the league, and still the top 3 PG in the league (after CP3, rondo) and can't get to .500. Of course everyone would be bashing MJ.

Remember how everyone criticize how Lebron had a POS team in Cavs and couldn't win a championship. The whole world criticized Lebron for choking even though he was doing all he could do to help his team win.

When you are the best player of the team and especially how hyped up Kobe is, every mistake will be criticized. And like I said since the beginning of the season. This team will not win with Kobe taking 20+ shots. Howard needs touches, Gasol needs touches, and most importantly the anchor of the offense Nash needs more touches.

It simple Jordan was a smarter player and a better player at 34, the lakers are playing well though, they just had a rough start, the NBA is a tuff league we talk but none of us have played in a NBA game I think?:thumbsu

[bmw1racer]

Originally Posted by M3forMe

The turnovers and horrific defense on Lebron killed them.

Yup, eight turnovers in the fourth quarter alone and nonexistent transition defense... I had a feeling they'd blow up after playing the Heat tough for the first three quarters.

[sensi09]

Yeah turnovers (many due to poor offense) and lack of rebounding did them in.

Why does is it always turn into jordan comparisons? With a top center and a top PG, I'm sure jordan would still take over 20 shots. Regardless of who was on his team, he would still dominate the ball while he was on the floor. Would he make others around him better, sure, but he would still put up shots.

[bmw1racer]

Originally Posted by sensi09

Why does is it always turn into jordan comparisons?

Because people feel the need to take jabs at Kobe.

[dsad1]

Their problem is that they can't play defense. It's not that they don't want to, or don't have a good defensive coach, it's just that they physically can't. Nash is too old and too slow, Kobe doesn't have the energy, Dwight is obviously still injured he can barely jump, Gasol has mental issues, and Artest isn't consistent enough.

Older experienced teams used to dominate the NBA, but now that you have teams Like Miami, Oklahoma, Clippers, that have a bunch of young stars, experience isn't enough. The Spurs are a great example, they have had the same core for years, and their chemistry together gets them a great seed. But by the time they get to the playoffs they tire out. The Lakers might have had a better record right now if they had some chemistry, but they still wouldn't be able to last in the playoffs.

[#Tee]

Originally Posted by Inspired

Lol, where were you 3 days ago? You had to wait 3 days to reply to my post that wasn't even the same game I was referring to. How convenient for you.

Kobe still shooting.. 20 shots/ 28 points.

cause 3 days ago this heat game wasnt on so i cant rub it in. failure to grab defensive rebounds was why they lost. god that still felt soo good

[Game]

It was a solid game until the 4th quarter. All game they were killing us on the boards but what cost us in the end was the turnovers in the 4th.

Suns on Tuesday. Should be a blowout since the Suns won the last one. This should be a revenge game.

[lastMleft]

Originally Posted by djsaad1

Their problem is that they can't play defense. It's not that they don't want to, or don't have a good defensive coach, it's just that they physically can't. Nash is too old and too slow, Kobe doesn't have the energy, Dwight is obviously still injured he can barely jump, Gasol has mental issues, and Artest isn't consistent enough.

Older experienced teams used to dominate the NBA, but now that you have teams Like Miami, Oklahoma, Clippers, that have a bunch of young stars, experience isn't enough. The Spurs are a great example, they have had the same core for years, and their chemistry together gets them a great seed. But by the time they get to the playoffs they tire out. The Lakers might have had a better record right now if they had some chemistry, but they still wouldn't be able to last in the playoffs.

Good analogy

[lastMleft]

Originally Posted by sensi09

Yeah turnovers (many due to poor offense) and lack of rebounding did them in.

Why does is it always turn into jordan comparisons? With a top center and a top PG, I'm sure jordan would still take over 20 shots. Regardless of who was on his team, he would still dominate the ball while he was on the floor. Would he make others around him better, sure, but he would still put up shots.

Nah just made a point There is no comparison. James and Wade are a handful no matter who's on the other end.

[ja.]

Originally Posted by ~XxPornxX~

cause 3 days ago this heat game wasnt on so i cant rub it in. failure to grab defensive rebounds was why they lost. god that still felt soo good

such a troll

[Inspired]

Originally Posted by sensi09

Yeah turnovers (many due to poor offense) and lack of rebounding did them in.

Why does is it always turn into jordan comparisons? With a top center and a top PG, I'm sure jordan would still take over 20 shots. Regardless of who was on his team, he would still dominate the ball while he was on the floor. Would he make others around him better, sure, but he would still put up shots.

Because everyone wants to compare Kobe to Jordan. And some people here likes to say that Kobe is better than Jordan.

The difference between Jordan and Kobe is they both are pure scorer. But Jordan took way more higher percentage shot and actually made it. Kobe forces the issue by isolation and playing 1 on 1 basketball and leaving the team hanging.

Originally Posted by ~XxPornxX~

cause 3 days ago this heat game wasnt on so i cant rub it in. failure to grab defensive rebounds was why they lost. god that still felt soo good

How old are you? 16? What is your point? Lakers still loss. I guess you love seeing your team lose.