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Thi sis way, way, way harder than building a battery powered car and seems to just not be a discussion point amongst EV evangelists. Again, this is why i see hybrids effectively winning the day. |
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05-02-2022, 09:35 AM | #46 | |
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Again my point is none of that makes it a "bad" vehicle. It may be a bad vehicle for THAT person but not in general. For me it was fantastic. Never had any issues with mine. I only used the 120v charger in my garage 99% of the time and I only charged it to around 80%. Always had enough range to do everything I do on a daily basis. My longest drive is up to my in-laws about an hour away, no problem doing that trip on my 80% charge with plenty left over. I'm also personally a fan of tech and for the most part I love the tech in the car. I thought I would miss things like apple carplay, but I didn't. I also don't think everyone is going to have an EV in a couple of years, if they did we would be really fucked. I think ICE vehicles will be with us for a loong time and I will continue to own both to suite my needs. |
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05-02-2022, 01:33 PM | #48 | |
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Anyway, you know my position from my earlier post so while I laugh at retrogrouches and know it's inevitable, I'm realistic too and don't think that the tech has plateaued anywhere close yet.
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05-02-2022, 04:01 PM | #49 |
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And oh by the way who is going to pay for all of this public charging wattage, assuming the infrastructure is built? The days of free EV recharging are not going to last forever. TBH the free (to me) energy is one of the biggest draws of an EV for me presently.
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05-02-2022, 04:11 PM | #50 |
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You get free charging? I dunno about other brands of EVs but at least with the Tesla you have to pay for charging, unless you have one of the early cars that came with free lifetime supercharging, in which case I would imagine Tesla foots the bill. I have seen a couple of "free" chargers here and there, typically slow chargers offered by the business/shopping plaza and I would imagine they are also paying the bill for that.
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Lithium batteries can be recycled, it is just extremely complicated and expensive to do so.
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I'll enter the fray to share my experience after adding an EV to the fleet in December. I'm a fan, but would not recommend a full switch unless you have access to a private level 2 charger. Our Volvo Recharge has a 230 mile range, is built like a vault and is actually fun to drive. It really hit the sweet spot for us, but I would not recommend without an ICE also due to lack of infrastructure. Having said that it has opened my eyes to EVs.
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The current issue of C&D has an article on their 40,000 mile summary of the Tesla Model 3. Worth checking out.....
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Electric Bus in Paris Spontaneously Explodes:
. . Last Friday, a video surfaced online of French public transport operator RATP's bus bursting into flames within seconds in Paris. The fire illustrates the dangers of EVs. Luckily the bus wasn't crowded, and passengers were able to exit quickly. AFP notes that all 149 electric buses manufactured by Bollore SA have been taken off the road. "The bus driver immediately evacuated all the passengers. Nobody was hurt," RATP said. The city's fire department said the blaze took 30 firefighters to extinguish. This isn't the first time one of these buses caught fire. On April 4, in central Paris, another bus experienced a similar explosion. In both incidents, there were no injuries. The video is shocking because it shows only a few seconds for the lithium batteries to ignite, giving occupants inside the bus barely any time to exit. First responders in many parts of the world aren't adequately prepared nor trained to handle lithium battery fires amid the proliferation of EVs on streets and highways. It takes +20 tons of water to extinguish a Tesla vehicle battery fire. A combustion engine needs, on average, 3 tons of water to extinguish. Not so ESG-friendly are EVs? . https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/wa...ously-explodes Here's the video of the Paris EV bus fire. .
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Check out the spending requests from our current administration. There is no such thing as free anything. Who is paying for all of the "free" EV infrastructure? You and I. Not a fan.
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Yeah, the infrastructure and charging methods may be lacking for EVs currently but I can guarantee if the demand is there, it will be figured out. EVs are practical in their own way. So are ICEs, in theirs. But I don't buy 'practical'. I want something I enjoy driving because I love to drive. And yeah, I've been in the Teslas. I know they are quick, and handle well. But they are completely devoid of any driving character. The fact that there's an option for the thing to drive itself says it all. It wasn't designed with those who love the art of driving in mind. I want sound. I want gears. I want that mechanical feedback when I'm pushing it hard through a mountain pass. Hell, I even want it when I'm picking my daughter up from school. Riding along with the cruise control set on the interstate on long trips is about the only scenario I can think of where I really wouldn't care. But long trips aren't really the shining point of EVs. If practicality and logistical concerns are the only issues, you could probably argue in circles between ICEs and EVs and come up with no clear winner. But until they can come up with an EV that actually feels like driving something real, I'm holding out as long as I possibly can.
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Oh, that's a whole other issue, isn't it. Currently, EVs are giving back very little if anything for road usage. States and the Fed are going to need to figure this out quickly. Especially in areas like here in Austin and coastal CA where EVs are everywhere.
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