[The Automotive Enthusiast]

[mxa121]

Originally Posted by Rev ///Me

Interesting. Forged internals, that's cool. Decent dyno numbers too.
Streets of Willow, 1.5 secs behind M235i. Not too bad for the eco mustang

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

[swanson]

[Ezio]

wow i am disappointed in the mustangs numbers. i thought this car would be on par with the m4. guess not.... its not even that much quicker than the old one. in fact might even be slower ?

[CirrusSR22]

This has the updated 2015 GT Willow Springs lap time. Faster than the old Boss 302 Leguna Seca (different driver). More than 2 seconds faster than the M235i (same driver). There's still a number of true sports car versions of the Mustang coming up though. Sound like the "GT" is actually a true GT car and not a sports car. I'm guessing the next $60,000 Mustang Gt350/SVT/whatever will easily trounce an M3.

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow...of_willow.html

I think the Camaro SS won because the've had so much more time to develop the chassis. I believe it wasn't until the ZL1 and 1LE package did it handle worth a damn. The new Alpha chassis Camaro should really be interesting. Hopefully Cadillac will share what they've learned developing the ATS-V and CTS-V chassis' and make it great from day one.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by Ezio

wow i am disappointed in the mustangs numbers. i thought this car would be on par with the m4. guess not.... its not even that much quicker than the old one. in fact might even be slower ?

It does seem like they left a lot on the table for future versions down the road.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

It does seem like they left a lot on the table for future versions down the road.

its probably one of ford stupid moves and the mustang will get a update with much better performance. like they did with the 2010 model vs 2011 model.

i wont touch any early mustang models ATM. i would wait to see.

[Genericuser1]

Originally Posted by Ezio

its probably one of ford stupid moves and the mustang will get a update with much better performance. like they did with the 2010 model vs 2011 model.

i wont touch any early mustang models ATM. i would wait to see.

I think you are spot on. I think they purposely design heavy exhausts and lower power levels so Ford Racing and their aftermarket partners can sell you performance parts. Or they can make special editions and add 30 more hp and a better suspension.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by Genericuser1

I think you are spot on. I think they purposely design heavy exhausts and lower power levels so Ford Racing and their aftermarket partners can sell you performance parts. Or they can make special editions and add 30 more hp and a better suspension.

Right but comparing it to '10-'11+ is moot since we're talking about bolt ons making up the difference instead of a whole new engine. That 3V was a boat anchor compared to the Coyote. 2015 owners won't be in anywhere near the same boat as '10 owners.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Genericuser1

I think you are spot on. I think they purposely design heavy exhausts and lower power levels so Ford Racing and their aftermarket partners can sell you performance parts. Or they can make special editions and add 30 more hp and a better suspension.

What, like BMW's performance intake and performance exhaust (which don't add any HP) and a big brake kit?

Can you say "coilover"?

[chumley]

Originally Posted by Ezio

its probably one of ford stupid moves and the mustang will get a update with much better performance. like they did with the 2010 model vs 2011 model.

i wont touch any early mustang models ATM. i would wait to see.

I'm with you, I remember thinking that back then - they really hung them out to dry. Basically the new V6 put out as much HP as the outgoing V8 and the new V8 was off the charts. I would have been pissed beyond belief....

It would be hard to imagine any company being that stupid again but who knows. It certainly seems likely that they'll "find" the extra 15-25 HP everyone was expecting anyway. They probably figured that they would more or less hold the line until the new Camaro is out and decide where to go from there. Setting the bar too high would just mean Chevy would meet or beat and they would have played all/most of their cards. If the next SS has 450hp it will be an easy fix to stay in the mix.

[ragingclue]

Again, there's no way they pull anything that is comparable to the 3v->Coyote transition. The next few years will see Ford basically bolting on upgrades to unlock the power incrementally. '15 GT owners and (e.g.) '18 GT owners should be pretty close in numbers with equal mods, while the stock output creeps up to keep up with competition.

[hellrotm]

Hellion put down 949whp with their twin turbo 2015 Mustang GT.

On stock internals. Insane!

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

My 72 year old father just bought a new GT with the Performance Package option. Can't wait to take it for a spin!

[hellrotm]

Not sure about the color combo, but otherwise looks good.

[Benstuck]

Just saw a black 5.0 and I have to say, the body styling and shape look much better in person. The Camaro definitely has its work cut out for itself. Idk if I would personally ever buy one though, being spoiled by my E92.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Another one

[V1.47fan]

^ Beautiful car!

[Imbue]

How does your father like the S550 thus far?

[RM7]

Originally Posted by CirrusSR22

This has the updated 2015 GT Willow Springs lap time. Faster than the old Boss 302 Leguna Seca (different driver). More than 2 seconds faster than the M235i (same driver). There's still a number of true sports car versions of the Mustang coming up though. Sound like the "GT" is actually a true GT car and not a sports car. I'm guessing the next $60,000 Mustang Gt350/SVT/whatever will easily trounce an M3.

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow...of_willow.html

I think the Camaro SS won because the've had so much more time to develop the chassis. I believe it wasn't until the ZL1 and 1LE package did it handle worth a damn. The new Alpha chassis Camaro should really be interesting. Hopefully Cadillac will share what they've learned developing the ATS-V and CTS-V chassis' and make it great from day one.

Old post, but compared to the equivalent priced Mustang, the 2010 and beyond Camaro has always handled better. The G8/holden chassis was stiffened significantly for the reincarnation of the camaro and it pulled high lateral Gs from the beginning, as well as had the wheel well size to take serious rubber. The regular SS wasn't bad, the 1LE improved on it, the Z/28 finished it off. The 2011 Mustang had to be stiff as heck to have any chance at being competitive, but then it would be bounced all around on any kind of real road. With the solid rear axle, they really didn't have much choice. Tire size was limiting and the brake cooling was poor. With the new mustang, for some reason, they chose to make it quite "soft" in the suspension department, allowing the camaro to still dominate on the track and as far as handling. Looking forward to the 350 though to see what ford can do. There's no reason why they should let the camaro walk all over them.