[ska///235i]

Dem ghetto ppl doe

[DoctoRx]

Originally Posted by Billup

Partially sarcastic.

I never stated I knew what it is like to be an African in the US. I was replying to his comment about the white vs black stigma, and the fact that I don't understand it. I've taken African studies at uni, so I know a wee bit of black culture. Plus, I watch television shows by Tyler Perry.

This is coming from an uneducated and immoral white guy who grew up in Detroit and lived a homeless life on the street for the better part of a year. Only difference is I didn't blame other people or bitch about it.

Oh yes, those evil terrible awful black populated areas. Heh. All I noted was the lack of proper education and poverty have some pretty drastic affects on the people in these areas, however there are clearly still incredible people that have to reside there as well.

Only partially (go figure they didn't appreciate when I wrote a 'Modern Modest Proposal' on the women's work force for my senior essay in lit studies either). At the end of the day there's no getting around the issue that lack of proper education has lead to the demise of people regardless of the color of their skin. I for one don't think corporal punishment was such a bad idea. I grew up in a military family and don't think I came out too bad. Though, I moved out the house before water boarding became popular.

[secretsquirrel]

Originally Posted by DoctoRx

I'm not saying the sheer number is entirely terrible, though in my town they won't hesitate to go over the top without question. And the gun was pulled on me for grabbing my license and registration. Out of 13 times, two including said incident were for speeding, about 15 over if you think that rushing from one meeting to another warrants a firearm. I'm sure the bright white lab coat meant I was a meth dealer and not a doctor.

In all fairness to the officer it was a bit late at night and I was driving on the more 'affluent' side of town. I'm from FL so every time I get pulled over (or at least before they found out I had two lawyers and made friends with the former police commissioner) it's automatically assumed my car is stolen or I'm a dealer because I'm pretty young. Once he realized I was lost he put his weapon away and gave me directions.

And had you freaked out and yelled "What are you doing? Don't shoot me!", and scared the cop, he might have shot you. Then the narrative from many here would be what you did to to deserve it.

The fact of the matter is that you probably didn't deserve to be stopped in the first place. And many don't understand that is natural for minorities who have been stopped for bs to be a little "akward", which puts the cop on higher alert.

A good book for everyone here to read is a book called "blink". The part about what the cops thought of Amadou Diallo (who was shot 41 times for doing nothing wrong) speaks to heart of the issue. The cops thought Diallo was a "super criminal" because of the fact that he didn't go inside his apt when they drove by. But later they found out that he didn't go inside because he wasn't doing anything wrong and didn't know the "neighboorhood protocol expected by the cops".

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by secretsquirrel

And had you freaked out and yelled "What are you doing? Don't shoot me!", and scared the cop, he might have shot you. Then the narrative from many here would be what you did to to deserve it.

The fact of the matter is that you probably didn't deserve to be stopped in the first place. And many don't understand that is natural for minorities who have been stopped for bs to be a little "akward", which puts the cop on higher alert.

A good book for everyone here to read is a book called "blink". The part about what the cops thought of Amadou Diallo (who was shot 41 times for doing nothing wrong) speaks to heart of the issue. The cops thought Diallo was a "super criminal" because of the fact that he didn't go inside his apt when they drove by. But later they found out that he didn't go inside because he wasn't doing anything wrong and didn't know the "neighboorhood protocol expected by the cops".

Don't use that logic here.

[PINeely]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Tell that to sport fans. I'm sure you are just as vocal about them, right?

I don't watch sports much but I don't understand when fans destroy their cities over a game loss (or win) either. It's idiotic.

[954Stealth]

Originally Posted by P1et

Store owner who was robbed by Michael Brown had his store looted...

Wow, I feel bad for this guy....

If people feel like something is wrong and things need to change, if they feel there is injustice or inequality or racism or any type of hatred, I am all for speaking out. Let your voice be heard; isn't that one of the things our country was founded upon? BUTdo it in a productive and constructive manner. Destroying your own neighborhood is not going to solve any of the issues and - in fact - only serves to perpetuate those same stereotypes they are lashing out against. Greenwood, Tulsa, Asbury, Detroit hell even Myrtle Beach and the list goes on of towns engulfed in race riots never to full recover whether it be economically or from the stigma of being "that place that had the riots" People leave the towns, business can never re-open and the riot stigma repels potential future businesses and families from settling in those neighborhoods.

I am glad that people are ready to speak up about an issue that has remained a mainstream undercurrent in the recent past to now. I am just sad that they don't realize their method of speaking out is only hurting themselves.

[m3ray]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

How do I downvote stupid comments?

I know from the opening post this was going to digress into prejudices about how blacks can't control themselves type of rationale.

[gonzo]

To me, much of the failure can be attributed to the person's that are the so called leaders for change.
The bus and the boat are not gaining.
Look at a different model for results with new driver's and captain's.?

Yelling, blaming, finger pointing and banging your hands on a pulpit do not seem to be working.

[kevinbahnz]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

My close friend is a cop here and he told me proper protocol for putting the officer at ease if I get pulled over. It's always unnerving to an officer when anyone reaches for something out of sight. Thus, when I get pulled over, I always roll all of my windows down (they're tinted) and put both hands on the wheel. More than 50% of the time when I reach for my wallet, they will put their hand on their weapon, just in case.

I used to get pulled over quite often when i was younger. But I always make the situation less tense for the cop by following your protocol, I also turn on the dome lights right after stopping. Most of the time I get off with a warning even if I was speeding.

[Whostheboss]

On Michael Brown:
IF what everyone said is true then this kid needed some serious help. Why in the holi fuck will you attack an officer? It's bad enough the officer doesn't like you... but Mike Brown caused his own death.

On Officer Wilson:
I'm usually the one that hates cops and talks shit about them but it appears this guy was doing his job.
On the other hand, Officer Wilson is a murderer. I honestly believe in my heart that the Officer didn't have to shoot him dead. Cops are so trigger happy.

On the riot:
I don't blame the people for rioting. These 'cop killings' happens A LOT!! I know because i witness some and i have 2 friend cops that tell me the nightmare they go through.
A Cop will 'murder' any random civilian and get away with it. They usually kill the ones that have a criminal background or have a thug'ish characteristic, this way when people see it in the news they will think the cop 'is doing his/her job'. It's all bullshit.
The cop didn't have to kill. Go on youtube and watch 1000s of videos where people are brutally attacking cops, yet no gun was drawn. Although i understand every cop is different.

Back to the rioting thing. I support the people rioting because they need to bring attention to this corruption.

Those of you who say they are causing more harm and are just thugs who are stealing 70" 4K TV won't change the the courts decision....
Well here's what, these looters are already at the lowest of lows in their living condition, they are already disadvantaged, their community is already ruined so they have nothing to loose. They might as well trash it and bring the worlds attention to the corruption they go through everyday.

To add to it, (i can't find the news article link at this moment) but there was a news article that showed that most of the people who are breaking and stealing are not even from Ferguson, some of them are not even from Missouri. They are just serial criminals who saw an opportunity to steal, they don't even know the story behind the cause of the riot, some of the people stealing are even Whites, Asian ETC.
Most Ferguson and Missouri citizens are just rallying and trying to have a peaceful rally.

That's all i have to say.

[Devious21]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

Even in cities like Oakland here in the Bay Area, people are looting and breaking and entering businesses. It is so stupid in my opinion. I mean, I get that people are angry. But really? This happened in a different state. Why do people feel the need to start trashing stuff at home?

That will happen regardless of what's going on nationally. Oakland just barely needs an excuse.

[Devious21]

Originally Posted by Whostheboss

Back to the rioting thing. I support the people rioting because they need to bring attention to this corruption.


Those of you who say they are causing more harm and are just thugs who are stealing 70" 4K TV won't change the the courts decision....
Well here's what, these looters are already at the lowest of lows in their living condition, they are already disadvantaged, their community is already ruined so they have nothing to loose. They might as well trash it and bring the worlds attention to the corruption they go through everyday.

There was a man named Martin Luther King. He disagreed with you.

[Joekerr]

Warning / Disclaimer - involves a religious take on the Ferguson bit, but I thought it was well reasoned.

http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/ar...ts-on-ferguson

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Whostheboss

On Michael Brown:

Back to the rioting thing. I support the people rioting because they need to bring attention to this corruption.

Those of you who say they are causing more harm and are just thugs who are stealing 70" 4K TV won't change the the courts decision....
Well here's what, these looters are already at the lowest of lows in their living condition, they are already disadvantaged, their community is already ruined so they have nothing to loose. They might as well trash it and bring the worlds attention to the corruption they go through everyday.


That's all i have to say.

Problem with the bolded part is that they aren't deciding to trash what they already owned and built up with their own two hands to bring the world's attention to it. No, what they decide to do instead is trash someone else's work. So yeah, I've got a problem with that.

[Whostheboss]

Originally Posted by Devious21

There was a man named Martin Luther King. He disagreed with you.

WHy?

[MiddleAgedAl]

Originally Posted by Gle8

An unarmed man was shot and killed by a police officer, and that police officer was not held accountable.

It must be said that Brown was in the process of trying to change his status of being unarmed that escalated matters in the first place, by struggling to grab the officer's weapon. That's a significant thing that is conveniently left out by a lot of people, especially when they try and inflame the situation further by saying stuff like " he was shot for jaywalking", or "he was shot for roughing up a store clerk and stealing cigars", or even "he was shot for being black".

No, he took things down the path of no return the moment he went for the officers gun.

He may have been profiled by the police because he was black, he may have been stopped by the cop initially for jaywalking. Those by themselves do not get you shot.

As a white guy, I admit I dont know what it's like to be racially profiled. However, I am pretty damn sure that if I am stopped, for a crime that I did or did not commit, grabbing for a cops gun is the stupidest way to react, regardless of how innocent I think I am.

I would expect that to end badly for me, regardless of my skin color, or the cops skin color. Not because the cop is being unreasonable, but because he probably wants to survive to the end of his shift that day.

[Devious21]

Originally Posted by Whostheboss

WHy?

Because Martin Luther King believed you could change people's minds without resorting to violence. Peaceful protests. Reasoned argument. You know, challenging someone's beliefs, not the flammability of your neighbor's car.

Furthermore, he was successfull. If the black community had someone who focused on understanding and bringing people together, such as King, instead of dividing all of us, like Sharpton, I think we'd all be much better off.

[m3ray]

Well this just happened in NYC too. An Asian cop claims to have "accidentally" shot and killed an unarmed black man in a dark stair case, in the projects.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...283696031.html

It kind of begs the question why do these incidents always involve African Americans.

And discuss...

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by Whostheboss

On Officer Wilson:
I'm usually the one that hates cops and talks shit about them but it appears this guy was doing his job.
On the other hand, Officer Wilson is a murderer. I honestly believe in my heart that the Officer didn't have to shoot him dead. Cops are so trigger happy.

Here's the thing - you're far from alone is "hating" cops. I would only be guessing, but I think the number of people in this country who hate cops and want to kill them significantly outnumbers the number of cops who want to kill ordinary citizens.

Most cops go their entire career without discharging their weapon a single time so the trigger happy thing is completely and utterly false.

Cops are also human beings with human instincts. As an officer, you are well within your rights to discharge your weapon if there is a "significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer."

[secretsquirrel]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

My close friend is a cop here and he told me proper protocol for putting the officer at ease if I get pulled over. It's always unnerving to an officer when anyone reaches for something out of sight. Thus, when I get pulled over, I always roll all of my windows down (they're tinted) and put both hands on the wheel. More than 50% of the time when I reach for my wallet, they will put their hand on their weapon, just in case.

Yep. I also turn on the interior lights in the car and tell them where about to put my hands before making any moves.

[secretsquirrel]

Originally Posted by Devious21

Because Martin Luther King believed you could change people's minds without resorting to violence. Peaceful protests. Reasoned argument. You know, challenging someone's beliefs, not the flammability of your neighbor's car.

Furthermore, he was successfull. If the black community had someone who focused on understanding and bringing people together, such as King, instead of dividing all of us, like Sharpton, I think we'd all be much better off.

Most people who are upset aren't resorting to violence. Its .00001 percent of people who are. Almost every black person is concerned and wonders what this means for their sons and grandchildren, yet almost no one is "resorting to violance". The fact that our kids are being killed by police for playing with a toy gun and we keep getting killed is alarming and speaks to the broader issue of why?

While I'm no fan of Sharpton, no one is, except the media and himself ; it's only now that MLK is seen as a figure of accomplishment. He went many years where people ridiculed him also.

[secretsquirrel]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

discharge your weapon if there is a "significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer."

I agree. And everyone has that right (and should). But you don't shoot an unarmed person running away from you.