[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by avantegardestyle

I don't know if this Woman's story is true, but let me tell you all this from personal experience.

I used to drive a Toyota Camry for 7 years........how many times was I stopped by the police? Maybe 3 or 4 times. Now i drove a E90 M3. I have been stopped 4 times already this summer alone.
One night i was stopped for NO REASON, digged down by the Police and then after they couldn't find anything in my car, they game me 4 tickets claiming my tint was too dark on my car. Well, my tints are indeed maybe darker than the legal limits.........but my windows, all 4 of them was DOWN, when I was stopped, which means I was not stopped for dark tints but for other reasons which has yet to be explained to me. Now, even with my tints being dark. Should i have gotten 4 TICKETS one for each window on a Single car?

of course not, but its all about making money for the state and exploiting people who are paying the very taxes that makes it possible for Police to be paid.

I hope she wins and Wins BIG$$$$.

These Police officers are out of Control, and i really don't know what is happening in this country with people who swore to serve and protect doing the exact opposite of what hey are being paid to do.......

Why do you hope she wins a big judgment if you aren't sure her story is true?

[csu87]

Originally Posted by avantegardestyle

It is often so laughable to me, how it is so easy for people to disbelieve the citizens who are being abused by the police until it affects someone they know and it becomes a completely different issue.

Anyone of you guys saw the video of what happened to former tennis Star James Blake?
who was standing in front of his hotel and was tackled by a police officer without warning, without declaring himself to be a police or anything of the sort?

I bet if it was an average Joe, people would be saying he must've done something before the Camera started for the police to tackle him like that.

Let me make something clear to all who are willing to listen. Police in a lot of communities now, especially in Minority communities are in the business of manufacturing Criminals, creating bogus offenses against people in order to make MONEY for the State.......
anyone who wants to deny this is fooling themselves

I don't know if this Woman's story is true, but let me tell you all this from personal experience.

I used to drive a Toyota Camry for 7 years........how many times was I stopped by the police? Maybe 3 or 4 times. Now i drove a E90 M3. I have been stopped 4 times already this summer alone.
One night i was stopped for NO REASON, digged down by the Police and then after they couldn't find anything in my car, they game me 4 tickets claiming my tint was too dark on my car. Well, my tints are indeed maybe darker than the legal limits.........but my windows, all 4 of them was DOWN, when I was stopped, which means I was not stopped for dark tints but for other reasons which has yet to be explained to me. Now, even with my tints being dark. Should i have gotten 4 TICKETS one for each window on a Single car?

of course not, but its all about making money for the state and exploiting people who are paying the very taxes that makes it possible for Police to be paid.

I hope she wins and Wins BIG$$$$.

These Police officers are out of Control, and i really don't know what is happening in this country with people who swore to serve and protect doing the exact opposite of what hey are being paid to do.......

I've been pulled over before when i Had dark tints for no reason, but i wasn't a dick about it, was respectful and answered all the questions and guess what, didn't have any issues and was given a warning for tint.

Most these police encounters that turn bad can be avoided by not being a douche.

But I'm sure you gave the cops no reason to hate you

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by avantegardestyle

These Police officers are out of Control, and i really don't know what is happening in this country with people who swore to serve and protect doing the exact opposite of what hey are being paid to do.......

How about 86 police officers killed in the line of duty so far in 2015? I guess they are no longer doing their job....

https://www.odmp.org/search/year

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

How about 86 police officers killed in the line of duty so far in 2015? I guess they are no longer doing their job....

https://www.odmp.org/search/year

So people dying on the job means there are no bad cops?

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

How about 86 police officers killed in the line of duty so far in 2015? I guess they are no longer doing their job....

https://www.odmp.org/search/year

Police deaths are on a steady decline. So what does that tell you? Violent crime in the US has been on a steady decline since the mid-90s.

Here is a list of police deaths by year.
http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-...data/year.html

Danger is part of the job of being a cop, which is why they tend to be compensated pretty damn well. And lets face it in majority of areas a cop can go through his whole career without ever being truly put in harms way. As far as danger goes, lineman and firefighters have a much higher change of getting killed on the job than cops do.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

So people dying on the job means there are no bad cops?

Of course not, but why assume they are ALL bad and automatically believe every claim made against them is accurate and true, even if reported only by tabloids?

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

Of course not, but why assume they are ALL bad and automatically believe every claim made against them is accurate and true, even if reported only by tabloids?

No which is why we are all skeptical about her story. Still can't get over the "Obama follows me on twitter" part...

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Where do you think that money comes from?

....the insurance company

Yes the taxpayer pays the premium but they pay those whether the county/city is sued or not.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by avantegardestyle

It is often so laughable to me, how it is so easy for people to disbelieve the citizens who are being abused by the police until it affects someone they know and it becomes a completely different issue.

Anyone of you guys saw the video of what happened to former tennis Star James Blake?
who was standing in front of his hotel and was tackled by a police officer without warning, without declaring himself to be a police or anything of the sort?

I bet if it was an average Joe, people would be saying he must've done something before the Camera started for the police to tackle him like that.

Let me make something clear to all who are willing to listen. Police in a lot of communities now, especially in Minority communities are in the business of manufacturing Criminals, creating bogus offenses against people in order to make MONEY for the State.......
anyone who wants to deny this is fooling themselves

I don't know if this Woman's story is true, but let me tell you all this from personal experience.

I used to drive a Toyota Camry for 7 years........how many times was I stopped by the police? Maybe 3 or 4 times. Now i drove a E90 M3. I have been stopped 4 times already this summer alone.
One night i was stopped for NO REASON, digged down by the Police and then after they couldn't find anything in my car, they game me 4 tickets claiming my tint was too dark on my car. Well, my tints are indeed maybe darker than the legal limits.........but my windows, all 4 of them was DOWN, when I was stopped, which means I was not stopped for dark tints but for other reasons which has yet to be explained to me. Now, even with my tints being dark. Should i have gotten 4 TICKETS one for each window on a Single car?

of course not, but its all about making money for the state and exploiting people who are paying the very taxes that makes it possible for Police to be paid.

I hope she wins and Wins BIG$$$$.

These Police officers are out of Control, and i really don't know what is happening in this country with people who swore to serve and protect doing the exact opposite of what hey are being paid to do.......

No one is saying we don't believe her, like most of us have said, we think she's only giving part of the story. Naturally, she'd share details of the event that put her in the best possible light or are you saying people would have no incentive to do something like that?

Like most instances, when we have all the facts (if we even ever get them, the media doesn't seem to care too much on this story), I'm sure we'll see both sides share part of the blame.

[Supra2k6]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

How about 86 police officers killed in the line of duty so far in 2015? I guess they are no longer doing their job....

https://www.odmp.org/search/year

https://news.vice.com/article/police...l-browns-death

1083 people killed by police in the past 12 months alone

"Some" (small %) of them by race profiling i'm sure but can't argue that most officer lack traning.

I'm not sure if youve ever been to NYC people are pretty douchy and "some" police officers are even douchier with a badge.

I dont know if her story is true i'm sure there is more to it but police lack training period. if youre a police officer and someone gives you lip because you gave them a ticket and starts talking nonsense you finish with your job and give them the ticket you dont take it personal and evaluate her mental health and take her to a mental hospital. Youre a public servant not a doctor and now us tax payers foot the bill.

[csu87]

Originally Posted by Supra2k6

https://news.vice.com/article/police...l-browns-death

1083 people killed by police in the past 12 months alone

"Some" (small %) of them by race profiling i'm sure but can't argue that most officer lack traning.

I'm not sure if youve ever been to NYC people are pretty douchy and "some" police officers are even douchier with a badge.

I dont know if her story is true i'm sure there is more to it but police lack training period. if youre a police officer and someone gives you lip because you gave them a ticket and starts talking nonsense you finish with your job and give them the ticket you dont take it personal and evaluate her mental health and take her to a mental hospital. Youre a public servant not a doctor and now us tax payers foot the bill.

im gonna go out on a limb and say the majority of that 1083 killed by officers were doing something illegal and probably a danger to the public.

Also gonna go out on a limb and say the majority of the cops killed by criminals werent doing anything illegal and probably not being a danger to the public.

Just saying.

If you cant accept the fact that you were caught in the wrong and are getting a ticket because of it so you feel the need to treat the officer like shit, why would you think the officer is going to treat you nicely? No cops cant just pull you over cause you are being a dick to them, ie flipping them off, making faces/gestures towards them..., but it will make them watch you closely, and there are many little nuances to the law that they know and the average person does not, so you will get pulled over and ticketed.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by csu87

im gonna go out on a limb and say the majority of that 1083 killed by officers were doing something illegal and probably a danger to the public.

Also gonna go out on a limb and say the majority of the cops killed by criminals werent doing anything illegal and probably not being a danger to the public.

Just saying.

If you cant accept the fact that you were caught in the wrong and are getting a ticket because of it so you feel the need to treat the officer like shit, why would you think the officer is going to treat you nicely? No cops cant just pull you over cause you are being a dick to them, ie flipping them off, making faces/gestures towards them..., but it will make them watch you closely, and there are many little nuances to the law that they know and the average person does not, so you will get pulled over and ticketed.

Right because everyone that is killed by the cops is a vicious criminal out on a rampage.
Such as the case in Cali when the guy was sitting on the ground and not resisting. Cop told him he was going to "kick his ass", then the cops buddies joined in on the fun.. In the end the guy died from the unprovoked beating. A lot of cops like to operate from the Gestapo handbook.

http://www.rt.com/usa/footage-kelly-death-thomas-811/

Describing his own actions, Officer Cicinelli is recorded on tape in the aftermath to explain, "We ran out of options so I got the end of my Taser and I probably…I just started smashing his face to hell.”
Officer Cicinelli would have done quite well in the SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger.

[csu87]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Right because everyone that is killed by the cops is a vicious criminal out on a rampage.
Such as the case in Cali when the guy was sitting on the ground and not resisting. Cop told him he was going to "kick his ass", then the cops buddies joined in on the fun.. In the end the guy died from the unprovoked beating. A lot of cops like to operate from the Gestapo handbook.

hence why i said majority.

[IndotagSwizz]

this post is starting to take a bad turn... just like there are good people and bad people, there are good cops and bad cops. People should always treat other people with respect and that includes cops as well. I agree 100% that giving police a hard time after being pulled over (whether you think you were rightfully pulled over or not) is silly and will not do anything to help the situation; however just because someone talks back to a cop its does not ever give them the right to abuse their authority. Know your rights people, even if you are ever totally wronged, as soon as you proceed to be respectful and you know your rights after the storm clears you will be just fine

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

Story is so off the wall that you can't assume anything in the article is an actual "fact". Interesting how there is no mention about why she went to police station (instead of impound yard) to get the car and there is no reason given for why she didn't simply produce the registration (which should be in her wallet) when claiming the car.

Who carries their car registration around in their wallet? I always leave it with the car.

[avantegardestyle]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

Why do you hope she wins a big judgment if you aren't sure her story is true?

Because I would like to see a soceity where cops are more careful and conscienscois when dealing with civilians, especially for NON Violent matters such as traffic etc.
We have too many issues of cops going overboard and doing something stupid to people, especially black people on situations that should have resulted in no issue at all

in the last 2 or so years, we have had
Sandra Bland, which could have not ended the way it did

We have Walter Scott, the guy who was running away because he feared going back to Jail for Child Support and was shot in the back

there there is LeVar Jones, who turned back into his van to provide ID requested by the police and was shot

Should i go on as there is DOZENS More?

For the record, I have never been assaulted or manhandled by the Police, even though i once spent a night in jail unfairly so. but even then i was treated with respect and dignity so I do not hate the Police.

I hate a world where tardiness and abuse is excused and people can simply be abused and end up losing their lives by Police who refuse to follow the proper protocol and show respect to people who are human beings just like they are....

So i want her to Win and win big, because i want the police to be forced to be careful and follow proper procedures when they are dealing with Civilians.

I have two Sons and I want to make sure I help to create a word where they are not victimized and abused by people who have sword to serve and protect.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

Who carries their car registration around in their wallet? I always leave it with the car.

I carry mine in my wallet and would not leave it in the car because doing so makes it a little easier for a thief to say they borrowed the car if pulled over after stealing it. Nevertheless, if I did leave it in the car and found myself in her situation I would say the registration is in the car and ask them (calmly) to look up the registration and see I was the owner. Of course, having had a car towed in the past, I know I would not go to a police station to get my car back, either.

[avantegardestyle]

Originally Posted by IndotagSwizz

this post is starting to take a bad turn... just like there are good people and bad people, there are good cops and bad cops. People should always treat other people with respect and that includes cops as well. I agree 100% that giving police a hard time after being pulled over (whether you think you were rightfully pulled over or not) is silly and will not do anything to help the situation; however just because someone talks back to a cop its does not ever give them the right to abuse their authority. Know your rights people, even if you are ever totally wronged, as soon as you proceed to be respectful and you know your rights after the storm clears you will be just fine

agreed, especially Cops are trained to diffuse a bad situation and to not allow it to escalate into needless battles between themselves and private citizens.
However nowadays it seems the Cops are the ones who are allowing minor tensions to escalate into messy situations with the belief that they are some kind of protected group separate and a apart from the rest of the society

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by avantegardestyle

Because I would like to see a soceity where cops are more careful and conscienscois when dealing with civilians, especially for NON Violent matters such as traffic etc.
We have too many issues of cops going overboard and doing something stupid to people, especially black people on situations that should have resulted in no issue at all

in the last 2 or so years, we have had
Sandra Bland, which could have not ended the way it did

We have Walter Scott, the guy who was running away because he feared going back to Jail for Child Support and was shot in the back

there there is LeVar Jones, who turned back into his van to provide ID requested by the police and was shot

Should i go on as there is DOZENS More?

For the record, I have never been assaulted or manhandled by the Police, even though i once spent a night in jail unfairly so. but even then i was treated with respect and dignity so I do not hate the Police.

I hate a world where tardiness and abuse is excused and people can simply be abused and end up losing their lives by Police who refuse to follow the proper protocol and show respect to people who are human beings just like they are....

So i want her to Win and win big, because i want the police to be forced to be careful and follow proper procedures when they are dealing with Civilians.

I have two Sons and I want to make sure I help to create a word where they are not victimized and abused by people who have sword to serve and protect.

So even if she made up the story, you want her to win a big judgment? That is some seriously flawed logic you have which, unfortunately, appears contagious in today's society.

[avantegardestyle]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

No one is saying we don't believe her, like most of us have said, we think she's only giving part of the story. Naturally, she'd share details of the event that put her in the best possible light or are you saying people would have no incentive to do something like that?

Like most instances, when we have all the facts (if we even ever get them, the media doesn't seem to care too much on this story), I'm sure we'll see both sides share part of the blame.

Police should do their Job with Professionalism and respect period
Civilians are of all kind, and if you are not trained to manage different kinds of personalities and to diffuse a potentially bad situation, maybe you SHOULDN'T become an officer, or if you are, go do some desk duty of some investigative work that doesn't require you being involved with people of all kinds of temperament on a day to day basis........

Maybe Police officers should take a look at Politicians, who have to take all kind of sheettt from people who either do not support them or are upset for not doing what they should, these politicians have some kind of ability to be graceful even in the face of rapid opposition.

I'm not saying Police shouldn't enforce the law, or should allow Citizens to be all in their face, but something is broken in this country with Police/ Civilian relations and we ought to stop making excuses for unprofessional and mean spirited police officers

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by avantegardestyle

I'm not saying Police shouldn't enforce the law, or should allow Citizens to be all in their face, but something is broken in this country with Police/ Civilian relations and we ought to stop making excuses for unprofessional and mean spirited police officers

No need to be so PC, you can say that by "civilian" you mean African Americans.

It's like a vicious cycle. People get wind of potentially anecdotal evidence that police mishandled a situation involving an African American and then they're more likely to lash out towards law enforcement should they be pulled over or stopped, which then causes police to react in a way that may or may not be appropriate, thus making things worse.

Is that the case here? Maybe, maybe not. We obviously only have half the story. But people are quick to jump to conclusions, you yourself already said you hope she wins a big settlement after only hearing her side of the story.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

No need to be so PC, you can say that by "civilian" you mean African Americans.

It's like a vicious cycle. People get wind of potentially anecdotal evidence that police mishandled a situation involving an African American and then they're more likely to lash out towards law enforcement should they be pulled over or stopped, which then causes police to react in a way that may or may not be appropriate, thus making things worse.

Is that the case here? Maybe, maybe not. We obviously only have half the story. But people are quick to jump to conclusions, you yourself already said you hope she wins a big settlement after only hearing her side of the story.

A friend of mine is a cop in a affluent town here in NJ. Rich white people can be SERIOUS assholes too.