[BwoodBMW]

I would bet much more that it has to do with the plastics and materials. The exact symptoms you are talking about I experience every single time I ride in a late model Audi. It sucks because I actually like Audis but something about the materials they use and the scent of the interiors (which is very distinct) makes me car sick and makes my head feel fuzzy. I had a rental Dodge Challenger the other day that was brand new, the plastic off gassing was so extreme in that car that I could only spend 10-15 minutes in it at a time. There are many more instances of people having these types of reactions due to materials than there are to EMFs. So a couple of questions:
1- Have you tested any of the other cars your family rides in to see what levels they produce?
2- Have you tried turning off the ambient lighting in the new 7 (can you?)... Lots of LEDs in that car and LEDs are major culprits of electronic interference. For example pay attention if you buy LED bulbs for your house, many of them will carry warnings about the ability for those bulbs to interfere with alarm systems and garage door openers.

[tex2670]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

This thread is really unbelievable

You should see the one over in the F30 threads:

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1258160

[TBN54]

Always high when I drive so I'm feeling those symptoms even before I sit in the car.


jk.

[jgoens]

Originally Posted by tex2670

You should see the one over in the F30 threads:

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1258160

It's also here: http://www.7post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1258167

It's like EMF's just floating around everywhwere.

[es1]

Originally Posted by vsix

I bought an armoured iphone 6 case. Armoured case, armoured glass and my sleep started getting better...it even extended to 7hours
and I own that case for a few weeks.
OP is right, there is something about this electromagnetic field that has impact on us. All I can say is watch yourself, everyone of you, and stay healthy.

What model did you buy? I also bought for my daughter Pong case (pongcase.com) that is specifiaclay designed to reduce radiation. It is serious serious problem.
https://urbanarmorgear.com/collectio...phone-6s-cases

[fravel]

Y'all know electromagnetic hypersensitivity is a thing, right?

http://www.who.int/peh-emf/publications/facts/fs296/en/

[Beartato]

Originally Posted by fravel

Y'all know electromagnetic hypersensitivity is a thing, right?

http://www.who.int/peh-emf/publications/facts/fs296/en/

Did you actually read that article?

In short: There is no medical basis for electromagnetic hypersensitivity as a condition. The symptoms self reported by those who feel effected vary widely between individuals, making any proper medical diagnosis start with a psychological evaluation. Studies cannot correlate EMF exposure to symptoms reported by those who claim to be sensitive in laboratory conditions.

[fravel]

Originally Posted by Beartato

Did you actually read that article?

In short: There is no medical basis for electromagnetic hypersensitivity as a condition. The symptoms self reported by those who feel effected vary widely between individuals, making any proper medical diagnosis start with a psychological evaluation. Studies cannot correlate EMF exposure to symptoms reported by those who claim to be sensitive in laboratory conditions.

Yeah, they also say this:

Originally Posted by WHO

EHS is characterized by a variety of non-specific symptoms that differ from individual to individual. The symptoms are certainly real and can vary widely in their severity. Whatever its cause, EHS can be a disabling problem for the affected individual. EHS has no clear diagnostic criteria and there is no scientific basis to link EHS symptoms to EMF exposure. Further, EHS is not a medical diagnosis, nor is it clear that it represents a single medical problem.

I'm really just trying to tell OP that there's not necessarily anything wrong with his car, but he's probably not crazy either.

[The Wind Breezes]

Originally Posted by Doc Oc

There is a condition where people can be extremely sensitive to EMF....electrohypersensitivity I think...perhaps your wife and daughter have it?

NO, there is NOT. NO reputable doctor will support a diagnosis of this condition because it doesn't exist and is entirely a result of the patient imagining he has it (placebo effect). The whole problem here is people don't know how to, or are incapable of properly evaluating information. I don't even know where to start on that, so how about be skeptical and challenge yourself not to believe anything you hear or read unless it makes sense without any gaps or reaching.

Originally Posted by Fast F30

Wind Beezes, your so smart so tell me the answer to my problem. We get in the car drive for 5-10 min and start feeling sick? We get out of the car and the sick feeling continues for up to 2-3 hours. Please explain how if its not EMF causing it what it could be. I have already eliminated off gassing as a cause. Also please explain why when the car is off the Gauss meter reads about 3 Milgauss and when the engine is started it jumps to over 100? Keep in mind high levels of EMF equates to Radiation. We all know radiation causes cancer and other illnesses.
You might want to re-read this link to see for yourself how high BMW EMF levels are compared to other cars.
http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/cars.html

I have no idea what's wrong but it's probably not the car unless someone intentionally contaminated it with some sort of poison which sounds about as unlikely as it gets. There could also be health issues involved, like motion sickness, but the most likely cause is your brain. The resolution will be entirely dependent on you realizing your beliefs are unsubstantiated and going on to deal with whatever mundane thing is making you sick, if it still exists after that epiphany. It's remotely possible that you may just not like the way the car smells. I can't comment on the phenomenon of outgassing as I know nothing about it, but I have been in certain cars, mostly domestics, that just made me feel ill after a while due to the plasticky odor.

100 milligauss is absolutely nothing, lol. My god, WHY would you get upset over numbers without understanding what they mean? You clearly never looked at a scale of field strength and don't know what those numbers mean. Why you would freak out over something that you should KNOW you don't understand makes no sense and shines some light on what sort of completely unsupported thought processes we're dealing with here. The earth's magnetic field at the surface is several times stronger than that, and a fucking REFRIGERATOR magnet is 500 times stronger. Anyway, most of that's probably coming from the alternator, and guess what, every car does this and it's NOT AN ISSUE. It will not make you sick. Also, your measuring device is probably not legit, but that's really irrelevant since there's no reason to be measuring anything anyway. Finally, this meter measures MAGNETIC FLUX, it does not measure RADIATION.....lol.

Now for the really important part: all this electromagnetic radiation is NON-IONIZING, which means it does not cause cancer. You need very high energy radiation like X-rays or Gamma rays to ionize (fuck with) your body's molecules. Your BMW does not produce these, full stop. If you really want to scare yourself, buy a geiger counter off ebay and enjoy the ionizing radiation that's present literally everywhere. Even THAT is not a problem though because it's very weak.

[Mandi90TT]

Originally Posted by The Wind Breezes

NO, there is NOT. NO reputable doctor will support a diagnosis of this condition because it doesn't exist and is entirely a result of the patient imagining he has it (placebo effect).

Agreed.

From the linked aritcle:

The majority of studies indicate that EHS individuals cannot detect EMF exposure any more accurately than non-EHS individuals. Well controlled and conducted double-blind studies have shown that symptoms were not correlated with EMF exposure.

On an anecdotal basis, there is a town in West Virginia where they have heavily restricted any form of RF in order to more accurately do radio astronomy. Many not-so-sane people have moved there because they believe they suffer from EMF sensitivity (side note, these crazies have caused significant issues for the normal people living there) Multiple news organizations have done interviews with the people who have flocked to this town, and in many cases, the interviewers have surreptitiously turned on cell phones, or other RF emitting devices, with absolutely ZERO reaction from the so called EMF sensitive people, until the journalist reveals his/her cell phone has been on for the entire interview. The 'EMF sensitive' people suddenly, once they have been told a cell phone is on, develop symptoms.

Certainly not a controlled study, but it lends even more credence to the real, controlled, double blind studies. Also side note, these journalists have done harm to the real work of radio astronomy, so definitely not the best way to go about outing crazies.

I would put 'EMF sensitivity' on the same level as vaccine deniers, but the vaccine deniers have actually done harm to society as a whole, while the 'EMF sensitive' people are flat out bonkers, without really harming anyone else.

And yes, I used quotes around 'EMF sensitivity' because it just ain't real, other than as an imagined ailment. Other than a mental illness, of course.

[DDD31]

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[fravel]

Originally Posted by Dave 90TT

On an anecdotal basis, there is a town in West Virginia where they have heavily restricted any form of RF in order to more accurately do radio astronomy. Many not-so-sane people have moved there because they believe they suffer from EMF sensitivity (side note, these crazies have caused significant issues for the normal people living there) Multiple news organizations have done interviews with the people who have flocked to this town, and in many cases, the interviewers have surreptitiously turned on cell phones, or other RF emitting devices, with absolutely ZERO reaction from the so called EMF sensitive people, until the journalist reveals his/her cell phone has been on for the entire interview. The 'EMF sensitive' people suddenly, once they have been told a cell phone is on, develop symptoms.

Snowshoe!

If you've never been, it's pretty crazy going from full bars on your cell phone and a million fm channels on the radio to being in a total dead zone in an instant.

[baseking]

Originally Posted by Fast F30

Interesting read......http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/cars.html

Assuming you are not affiliated in any way with this website, may I make the suggestion of driving someone else around. Like take a family friend out for a drive and let them sit where your wife/kid get sick, but do NOT tell them beforehand what you are testing. After 30 minutes or so, ask them how they are feeling, if they complain from the same symptoms then it might be the car.

Otherwise you might be suffering from an imaginary family, 7-series and EMF hypersensitivity.

[Poleposition]

How about putting them in another 750il? See if it still happens.

[danniexi]

http://www.who.int/peh-emf/about/Wha...en/index1.html
please stop spreading FUD.

[Fast F30]

FYI....http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by Fast F30

FYI....http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/

How many times are you going to post that?

Electromagnetic hypersensitivity (EHS) is a proposed pathological sensitivity to electromagnetic fields in the environment. EHS is not a recognized medical diagnosis, and there is no scientific basis for it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electr...persensitivity

[The Wind Breezes]

Originally Posted by Fast F30

FYI....http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/

Look, I get that you didn't read my posts, but come on, you're only insulting yourself at this point by posting that stuff. Please prove me wrong and respond to my posts--I address every issue you raised and more in a reasonable and informative way, but you have nothing to say? That's curious.

[08njSTEP]

Originally Posted by Fast F30

FYI....http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/

Read 3 paragraphs and it's so obviously fear mongering. "School children commiting suicide because the computers in the school produce EMF.
RIGHT!!!! That has got to be the reason.

[Beartato]

So I ate Chinese food for dinner, and now I feel sick. It's gotta be EMF! Oh wait, how does a 15 Honda Accord coupe fit in the hierarchy of EMF naughtiness?

[tex2670]

Originally Posted by Fast F30

FYI....http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/

The more times you say/post something doesn't make it more true. You are truly a glutton for punishment. You are not even good at trolling--why bother?

[jgoens]

Hey guys,
I just found this: http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/cars.html

Maybe it is true.