[skierman64]

Don't sing the death nell of the M3 so fast. I think you're a little premature.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by Kiwirobbie

The M badge might not be on the back but it's on the wheels, door kick plates, steering wheel, gear knob, clutch foot rest........it might as well be on the back since it's everywhere else.

If you buy an AMG sport package in Europe they don't have AMG badges on the back.

Maybe, but at least they're not exact copy-offs of the real thing. There's at least subtle differences in the M-Sport kit. Sure, you might have to have an eye for these things to see them, but they're there.

I still think the badge is ridiculous, even if it is only in the US. Think about it, why the f*ck is there an AMG badge on the back of a C300? Is it justified because of some added plastic? I don't think so. But hey, that's just me.

[Davinhci]

nah the M3 is a beast and should be great. I'm not worry

[DJ9]

Originally Posted by Laszlo

I love the fact that they are going backwards... and they need to. A 4-banger turbo 1-series that's redesigned as a light model which they're going to do is awesome. I also love the fact that the 3-series will also get lighter. And by offering tii for current 1 and 3-series models is spectacular. Especially that the 3-series with a flash is crazy fast and to add tii is where it is at. Too bad the new M3 will be dated so soon, but will always go down in history as the last true M3.

Dated soon? Jesus....rain on the parade bro

[its ray den]

would getting a tii be worth it over modding your car with aftermarket parts? i still don't see much of a point to the tii unless there are weight savings and other performance differences that makes more sense coming from the factory instead of the aftermarket.

[Year's_End]

You can prob get the same stuff that's aftermarket for less. I bet you that this tii stuff will be waaaay overpriced.

[JCbmw22]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-give...een-light.html

link says it all


/discuss

[asdflkijd]

Well there goes the M3 sales! oh and almost forgot, the 335i as well.. Idiots, what are car companies thinking of now-a-days...

[Imola.ZHP]

^ I'm sure there will be differances that are difficult to purchase "aftermarket" in the same way that a ZHP is worth the $$ over a normal e46 330i...

My guess would be...

-Anthracite headliner (mucho $$ if purchased from BMW after purchasing a car without)
-Extra "sporty" suspension (most likely lower and stiffer than a normal "sport" model)
-Pre-painted and installed body kit (I wouldn't want a kit that someone painted and then put on, OEM or bust)
-Possible Alcantra steering wheel and shift/parking break boots (I say "possible" because BMW replaced so many they might not go that direction again)
-Still not sure how they will extract "extra" horsepower, if by chip or other. My ZHP has different cams in it that gives the car an extra 10hp over a normal e46 330i
-etc, etc, etc,

It'll be worth it to some that will care about those small details, to those that do not, chip your 335i sport and have fun...

[PresaMat]

Yes... what I have been saying all along... when the model refresh comes so will the Tii. If you read the article it says in MY2011

[john0213]

if we can all refer to the post in the general section regarding the tii version, one of the member recall that this news is directly copied from a german auto magazine, which means that this update will most likely happen only in German.

I don't know what possibility we will ever see a tii to the state, but i guess anything can happen right?

the tii makes perfect sense in europe because they don't really care about cross market competition from the same brand, why? because they already have that alphina B3 competing with the M3 in a way

[RiXst3r]

what are they thinking.... now they are going to have to sell an expensive 3 other than the 335... and will sell more of these to people that thought the m3 was too expensive...

jeeze... idiots... ;-)

[jpsimon]

4.8L TT in the new m3, and a 335tii. I think thats a strong model lineup

[epiphone3]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

4.8L TT in the new m3, and a 335tii. I think thats a strong model lineup

don't count on the next M3 having a 4.8L TT motor. BMW has already indicated that they intend to bring the next M3 back down to 6 cylinders and are considering turbocharging it. They have clearly stated that their goal is to reduce the number of cylinders in the M cars a few times now.

By the way, the tii models will focus mostly on light weight ideas. BMW will likely even ditch the 6 cylinder turbo motor from the 1-series in favour of a lighter 4-cylinder. The 3-series will get what as a motor in the tii trim? Who knows.

[BoostedBMW]

Hmmm... a lighter version of the 1'er with a turbo 4... that's pretty interesting.

[Jeeves915]

Wow.
That'll make my choice VERY hard for a graduation present to myself when I get done with my Pharm.D. Right now I'm thinking M3, but if the 1 or 3 Tii is appropriately badassed, it might very well be that...
-Adam

[Imola.ZHP]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

what are they thinking.... now they are going to have to sell an expensive 3 other than the 335... and will sell more of these to people that thought the m3 was too expensive...

jeeze... idiots... ;-)

??

This isn't new to the 3er line...

e36, M-Tech
e46, ZHP
e90, tii

The tii will not be "better" or more expensive than an M3, it will fill the small gap between the 335i and the M3. My ZHP's ZHP option was $3,900 over a non ZHP 330i, I would expect to see a similar price for the tii option...

[LeifW]

Originally Posted by Bimmer Loyalist

I still think the badge is ridiculous, even if it is only in the US. Think about it, why the f*ck is there an AMG badge on the back of a C300? Is it justified because of some added plastic? I don't think so. But hey, that's just me.

There is no AMG badge on the back of the C-CLass sport package in the USA either. The only C-CLass then gets an AMG badge is the AMG C63.


Leif W.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by LeifW

Ther is no AMG badge on the back of the C-CLass sport package in the USA either. The only C-CLass then gets an AMG badge is the AMG C63.


Leif W.

No way. I just saw two C300s in one day with the AMG badge on the back of them. Trust me, I know what I see. I had to have a double take because I nearly shat my pants thinking they were C63's. I'm not stupid.

[LeifW]

Originally Posted by Bimmer Loyalist

No way. I just saw two C300s in one day with the AMG badge on the back of them. Trust me, I know what I see. I had to have a double take because I nearly shat my pants thinking they were C63's. I'm not stupid.

Not saying you're stupid, just saying you don't get the AMG badge on the C-Class sport. Just go to the mbusa.com site and take a look at the gallery. I was just at my dealership the other day looking at them and I didn't see one C-Class Sport with an AMG badge. Owners can buy AMG badges, just like people can buy M badges, and put them on their car. Here's the back of the C-Class sport.



Leif W.

[Year's_End]

Hmm...well...this is interesting then. First off sorry for mistaking your text. Second, I am still a bit confused. I dunno. Whatever the case, the badging bothers me.

[LeifW]

Originally Posted by Bimmer Loyalist

the badging bothers me.

It used to bother me (M badge or AMG badge on a regular model). Now I don't care, but I still don't get it. However, I'll stop this because I don't want to hijack this thread.


Leif W.