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I realize that MM quarterbacking is horrible, especially on this topic with the added negative of no real footage. That said, what do you think could have been done better knowing the information you have vs. your experience.
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Nearly every LEO I know and interact with (when I'm not getting a ticket ) feels this way and it's policy in most places. Fully understanding that the robbery and hostage make a hash of things, this is the most reasonable policy. Cheers, my friend-mk
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I don't have any more knowledge of what happened than anyone else but expect stop sticks, blockades or other such measures would have been difficult to deploy in this case. They were not on a single straight road that gave police time to set up further down the road. They could choose any variety of twists and turns so you're talking about trying to set something up in multiple locations with equipment substantial and big enough to stop a truck while trying to avoid a busy intersection (of which there are plenty in Miami). Maybe they tried and the truck took a turn - really no way to know right now.
The whole thing sucks and it could have been even worse under a variety of scenarios.
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The unfortunate truth about hostage situations is the fact that the hostage does not always survive. It's a really sad situation because members of law enforcement want nothing more than to save everybody each and every time. In the Miami incident there were two armed perpetrators who began shooting at police once their option to run had diminished. There were a number of innocent civilians in POV's in the vicinity, and those innocent civilians could've become additional hostages or collateral damage. Ultimately law enforcement had to neutralize the very real and present threat/danger to the safety of the general public, and therein lay the outcome. The situation was ugly, but doing this job is never pretty. |
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I feel compelled to remind everyone that this pursuit occurred after the suspects had already been involved in a gunfight and taken a hostage. This isn't a situation where LE is pursuing someone who simply isn't pulling over.
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I think it comes down to who started shooting first, which isn’t totally clear from the footage. If the UPS truck suspects did, what choice do the LEOs have other than to take cover wherever they can and return fire? I mean, it’s kind of absurd to say that they should have stood tall without cover to draw fire away from civilians even if it was remotely possible with that number of cars packed together in traffic.
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The perpetrators were in a gunfight at the jewelry store before they ever hijacked the UPS truck and took a hostage. Their guns were already hot before the police even showed up.
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