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The GTS4.0 is not about being fast. Its aimed squarely for the Porsche enthusiasts who prefers their NA Flat-Sixes to the current Flat-Four, as well as trying to bring in sales for the Cayman/Boxster since the new Flat-Fours haven't been received well and are possible reasons for the decline in sales. |
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Check out promo vid. MT and flat six sounds great. Not sure how they can do that with particle filters required by EU unless the audio track was enhanced. Or it being NA maybe that helps. |
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I know, I went to school in LA in 1982....I'm OLD OK. I was just saying to my wife I thought about driving Route 66 to LA when I was going to school then but it was cheaper to fly....I would like to do the drive though, my 993 would be kool but some old school Detroit hot rod might be better.....decisions....
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01-23-2020, 06:03 PM | #53 | |
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(Other things in other posts): As for Porsche reacting to the customer base: False. That's classic PR-style spin doctoring on Porsche's part. Porsche planned this from the get-go, from even before the 718 was introduced. It follows a pattern it's established with other models. The only break that this represents from those precedents is that Porsche is moving the GTS closer to full-on GT-level models. As for Porsche doing this because of falling sales: Sales were already falling in the years before the 982. And 718 availability was severely curtailed in 2018 for a number of reasons that range from emissions-testing backlogs to manufacturing-plant transfer and retooling. People are simply buying less German-made cars. Simply buying less 2-seaters. Simply buying less mid-engine cars (C8 notwithstanding). Simply buying less 2-door cars. Worldwide. Research it. Engine choice has little to do with it ... besides: Porsche can't turn on a dime and shove any ol' engine into a car just because. Many forces are at play that take years to play out -- meaning years of planning ... Also-besides: The 4.0 GTS will be a limited-run model just like the GT4 and the Spyder, so sales volume really isn't what is motivating Porsche here. Think about that. As for the 4.0 flat-6 being slower than the 2.5 T4: Yep. And about 300 pounds heavier, too. And manual only, which makes it even slower. Hey, but you sound better (to some)! I'd rather be faster, thanks ... As for the lower-rung 718s becoming EVs: Not in this generation. Almost certainly in the next -- and, likely, with the flat-4 still in play. As for 4-pot models losing resale value: Perhaps. Most of us 718 owners don't give a whit about that, anyway. Sound ain't everything ... especially with particulate filters installed.
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Plus it would sound different, something I really enjoyed about the first two R32s. This all assumes that you can run it sideways of course. I'm one of the few that seems to find flat fours in VWs and Porsches perfectly nostalgic and awesome. Even if I also think the GT4 with the n/a six is perfect. Both can and should exist, and it would be especially cool to see a GT4 RS with the full boat 4.0L at some point. |
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There's always the toyota 86 option. Flat 4 in that. And there are tons of aftermarket options with forced induction. I had one for about a year. Very fun car. The fit and finish inside is terrible compared to even the mk6 golf though.
i need to hear a 718 in person but if it sounds like a subaru motor... no thanks.
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Now if BMW would just follow suit with the M cars... and go back to hydraulic steering, and keep offering manual trans/rwd.
I be a similar percent of Wrangler owners go off road as M car owners go to the track.
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it's also about the immediacy of the experience...feeling connected to all the controls of the car including the throttle turbos take away from connection...they create a barrier between the driver's input and the car's response...a lag Porsche GT cars are aimed at maximizing the connection between the driver and the car this is why GT cars have NA engines and why I for one will always prefer NA engines |
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