[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

*I would have waited all day for that opportunity if it presented itself to me.
I did see Senna, being a nipper then with my dad at Brands in '86 in the black Lotus and later on at a quali session there in '90,must have been '90 as Prost had no.1 on his Ferrari then.

Unfortunately I didn't really have the time to queue.
Every F1 driver was there, so it was a bit chaotic with a lot of the guests trying to go out with as many drivers as possible.
I just picked the shortest queue...Brundle...who was pretty scary, never seemed to use the brakes - just chucked the car sideways to scrub speed off for turns - or even look where we were going, just chatted about F1.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by 4play

He suffered 2 fatal injuries.

Basal skull fracture from the collision with the wall/tire impact to his head. Suspension A-arm pierced his helmet.

As determined by the Italian legal system, the cause was a broken steering column. Patrick Head and Adrian Newey (yes, that Adrian Newey) were tried for manslaughter. Newey was acquitted, but later under appeal, Head was found to be guilty of negligent homicide/manslaughter, but no penalty was given, as the statue of limitations had expired by the time the trial was completed.

The car was returned to Williams in 2002 and destroyed, Senna's helmet was sent to Bell, who studied it and then destroyed it. Engine was returned to Renault and the status is unknown.

To destroy such history 😔😢😔

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

''If you no longer go for a gap then you are no longer a racing driver'' Real world, real drivers not cocooned in cotton wool like HAM with superior car. Senna had to fight all corners including Balestre for recognition which makes him ideal candidate for the greatest driver not like HAM who has had virtually a red carpet laid out for him at every juncture.
Comparing with piloting an F22?...stroll on.

You're hilarious. There is a difference between going for a gap and a deliberate crash. Why don't you read about the things Anthony Hamilton and Lewis endured before going off on another incorrect tangent. Do you know that SEN was from a wealthy family? You literally have everything upside down. It's shocking.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by 4play

He suffered 2 fatal injuries.

Basal skull fracture from the collision with the wall/tire impact to his head. Suspension A-arm pierced his helmet.

As determined by the Italian legal system, the cause was a broken steering column. Patrick Head and Adrian Newey (yes, that Adrian Newey) were tried for manslaughter. Newey was acquitted, but later under appeal, Head was found to be guilty of negligent homicide/manslaughter, but no penalty was given, as the statue of limitations had expired by the time the trial was completed.

The car was returned to Williams in 2002 and destroyed, Senna's helmet was sent to Bell, who studied it and then destroyed it. Engine was returned to Renault and the status is unknown.

I'm shocked that Williams destroyed the car, they could have sent it to Sao Paolo but then that's what Ferrari did to all of their shark nose 156 cars later after the '61 horror crash with von Trips and Clark.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

You're hilarious. There is a difference between going for a gap and a deliberate crash. Why don't you read about the things Anthony Hamilton and Lewis endured before going off on another incorrect tangent. Do you know that SEN was from a wealthy family? You literally have everything upside down. It's shocking.

So what if Senna was from a wealthy family? What's that got to do with it and for your information I met Anthony at Brands Hatch at a BTCC meet quite a few years ago when his other son was competing in a race and I asked him how it's been coming up, he replied that 'it could have been better' smiling!
So,many people started from humble beginnings,Mansell was one scrimping and saving HIMSELF from his window cleaners job in Birmingham so he could get where he was in F1 and US.
Your getting egg on your face mate.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by ScottSinger

never knew about it, I'll google

I highly recommend it!!

[overcoil]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

You're hilarious. There is a difference between going for a gap and a deliberate crash. Why don't you read about the things Anthony Hamilton and Lewis endured before going off on another incorrect tangent. Do you know that SEN was from a wealthy family? You literally have everything upside down. It's shocking.

Things like being childhood friends with Keke Rosberg and family and hanging out in Monte Carlo ?

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

So what if Senna was from a wealthy family? What's that got to do with it and for your information I met Anthony at Brands Hatch at a BTCC meet quite a few years ago when his other son was competing in a race and I asked him how it's been coming up, he replied that 'it could have been better' smiling!
So,many people started from humble beginnings,Mansell was one scrimping and saving HIMSELF from his window cleaners job in Birmingham so he could get where he was in F1 and US.
Your getting egg on your face mate.

OMG. You just said that HAM had everything laid out before him. So did Senna yet you didn't mention that. Your double standards are absolutely the worst I've ever seen.

Egg on my face? You have an entire flock of chickens sitting on yours. And it's not eggs they're leaving behind.

Your bias is embarrassing. Your hatred of HAM has destroyed any semblance of fair play the you may have once possessed.

[4play]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

I'm shocked that Williams destroyed the car, they could have sent it to Sao Paolo but then that's what Ferrari did to all of their shark nose 156 cars later after the '61 horror crash with von Trips and Clark.

According to court documents, it was in a "significant state of disrepair". The crash and subsequent investigation mostly destroyed the car, not to mention that it probably had a not insignificant amount of "biological material" on it.

I don't think it's shocking to have destroyed the car. It's not like there were any happy memories associated with that chassis (3x poles, 3x DNF including Imola). It would be morbid to keep it I would think.

They did of course keep the other FW16 chassis.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by ScottSinger

Things like being childhood friends with Keke Rosberg and family and hanging out in Monte Carlo ?

I didn't realize being childhood friends with someone conferred their wealth on you. I have to do a better job selecting my friends.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

OMG. You just said that HAM had everything laid out before him. So did Senna yet you didn't mention that. Your double standards are absolutely the worst I've ever seen.

Egg on my face? You have an entire flock of chickens sitting on yours. And it's not eggs they're leaving behind.

Your bias is embarrassing. Your hatred of HAM has destroyed any semblance of fair play the you may have once possessed.

Don't get shirty with me mate and turn it into something you handily plucked out of your bag,in that case we shall put Mansell in for greatest driver seing what he went through.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Don't get shirty with me mate and turn it into something you handily plucked out of your bag,in that case we shall put Mansell in for greatest driver being what he went through.

Lol. I'm getting factual with you. Mansell is a single WDC winner. An amazing achievement and he did it under tough circumstances but he really isn't eligible though I admire him, as well as SEN, without qualification.

[yco]

this will never end..

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Lol. I'm getting factual with you. Mansell is a single WDC winner. An amazing achievement and he did it under tough circumstances but he really isn't eligible though I admire him, as well as SEN, without qualification.

It's not all about scores, just admit that HAM has had it easy tallying up his score with a superior car,as Sir Jackie has said and don't pour scorn on those who say it's mostly the car.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

''If you no longer go for a gap then you are no longer a racing driver'' Real world, real drivers not cocooned in cotton wool like HAM with superior car. Senna had to fight all corners including Balestre for recognition which makes him ideal candidate for the greatest driver not like HAM who has had virtually a red carpet laid out for him at every juncture.
Comparing with piloting an F22?...stroll on.

FACT !!!

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by npe

OP has Max Verstappen's dildo so far up his bunghole that he created a thread to quote only choice excerpts from a Berger interview, in a sad attempt to diminish the achievements of one of the most statistically successful drivers of the sport.

Since OP likes to accept Gerhard Berger's opinion as gospel, he must also agree with what Berger has said about Lewis Hamilton:

Gerhard Berger:



Also, "you are" is spelled "you're"

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[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by yco

this will never end..

I can see the light at the end of the tunnel !





















But the end is near !

[overcoil]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I didn't realize being childhood friends with someone conferred their wealth on you. I have to do a better job selecting my friends.

Hamilton had knocked Nico for his family’s status during the 2016 season which was just ridiculous, if psychological gaming for battle or what Hamilton perceived as a legitimate argument.

My response was to the post about Hamilton relaying about getting racially taunted in karting.

Hamilton by all accounts had a childhood the masses could only dream about.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by StatenEye

Yea, this is the reason I stay away from the F1 section. There is a weird obsession with Verstappen with a few of the guys. Some even claim he races for Belgium even though his license is Dutch and he has Dutch flags everywhere. The kids is pretty good but he will never be in in Lewis' class that's just a fact. Anyway, anyone at this point disputing Lewis is top 3 is jus being ignorant.

Mate honestly ! You guys have no idea of what you are talking about !
MAX is born 17 km from my home in Belgium (Hasselt) I see 5 days a week his parental home here in Belgium in his hometown !

MAX won his first F1 race without driver license in 2016 . MAX was 17 !
He got his theoretical and practical driver license exam not far from my home here in Belgium .
You know why he got his driver license here in Belgium ?

Because MAX's ID is Belgian ,and his civilian driver license is Belgian , because MAX is born in Belgium !
His "F1 driver license" is Dutch just like his dad is ,It's regarding financial speculation because the Belgian taxes are insane !
Once and for all . So it is and not otherwise ...
I know MAX . I met MAX . Saw him racing at the kart circuit in Genk (Belgium)
MAX got his first kart when he was 4 . He drove his first kart competition race when he was 6 .
MAX won everything...

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by ScottSinger

Hamilton by all accounts had a childhood the masses could only dream about.

I doubt many people dream of being:
The son of a black father and a white mother, who survived a broken home in his youth, Hamilton grew up on a municipal housing estate in Stevenage where his father Anthony at one time held down three jobs to fund his son’s embryonic racing career in karts.

Not the usual entitled rich kid who have their journey into F1 paved into F1 with daddies money....talented or not.

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

MAX got his first kart when he was 4 . He drove his first kart competition race when he was 6 .
MAX won everything...

Got to love a rich dad who can relive his very average F1 career vicariously through his son.
You would have thought that with all the advantages M Verstappen had he would have done a lot better than coming second best to Ricciardo in their couple of years together.

[EdM5]

Geez, all this BS discussions going on. Let's get to business. Here's my GOAT top 10

1. Senna
2. Hamilton
3. Schumacher
4. Fangio
5. Clark
6. Prost
7. Lauda
8. Stewart
9. Gilles Villeneuve
10. Alonso

So what do you think?