[Patton250]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

Alright I'll wish you a good day as we do disagree with one another and we have our different viewpoints. Cheers

Same to you. I feel you’ve been very reasonable in this exchange, so no animosity from me. But in reality, we don’t disagree with each other. One of us believes that people should be held accountable to the law and policy and the other one doesn’t. It’s that simple.

So that everyone in this thread understands when I watched that video it made me very very angry. I was extremely pissed off at the cop. And when this gentleman who I’ve been arguing with said in his original post that the cop was not held accountable for it that’s what started my research to find out why. The article I linked several post ago explains why he wasn’t held accountable for it. The reason is he performed what was at the time a legal move. In my opinion, he should have never done that. But what I think is not important. I hope I have made my position clear on this.

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

In this situation I would have just pulled over even if there wasn't sufficient space on the side. If the officer then wants me to keep driving to a safer location, I'll let them signal me to do so.

I agree sometimes the policeman is the bad guy, but the reality is that bad guy has authority and I'm not going to do anything to further agitate said bad guy. Just not worth it. I understand the woman's intention for pulling over at a safer space, but unless there's an exit VERY nearby, I'm pulling over asap.

Yeah, I dig. And I dig policemen have guns, tasers, nightsticks, handcuffs, dogs, other policemen nearby, the law on the side, etc. It's well-catalogued what police can do and get away with. Disgusting. And same here, I am totally compliant and extremely friendly when interacting with police. Which happens very rarely.

That said, knowing I what I know about crashes whilst parked in the shoulder, I take my risks and 'lead' the police to a safe place. I've done it 2-3 times.

The Arkansas trooper above was a total d!kchead. No surprise.

Nothing else to say here. I'm glad the folk in the OP aren't hurt.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

Because Arkansas literally already had in their policy that you can put your hazards and pull over at a safe place if where you are is not already safe. Like this is literally what police told the citizens to do. And then everyone is up in arms against the citizen? Wow this reminds me of the McDonald hot coffee debacle and how McDonald made the media and people blame the victim when the reality was that McDonalds was negligent and lost in court.

https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/pol...ont-feel-safe/

Ah in that case the police are at fault through this patrol mans action.

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

It's the Washington DC suburbs. Corrupt city, stupid corrupt people with stupid money. Elitist, spoiled children.

I grew up in Washington, DC and it was like that 40+ years ago. People will still be complaining about it in another 40 years.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

I don't think it's "odd"... the officer has a 7 series pulled over. The M3 wasn't backwards to begin with, he was trying to drift around the corner like an idiot, lost control of the drift and that's why it appeared to be going backwards by the time it hopped the median. The Z4 was probably travelling at a high rate of speed (as it's a highway) and slammed on the brakes when he saw that the M3 was about to come into oncoming traffic.

There is no way anyone is trying to drift on a long radius highway curve like that and at those speeds. He just lost control, maybe lift-off oversteer. It's a rich kid, not Ken Block (rip).

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by chris719

There is no way anyone is trying to drift on a long radius highway curve like that and at those speeds. He just lost control, maybe lift-off oversteer. It's a rich kid, not Ken Block (rip).

Regardless, the point is he lost control. He wasn't driving in reverse to begin with.

[Efthreeoh]

Dude's M3 needs Roof Flaps...

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

I grew up in Washington, DC and it was like that 40+ years ago. People will still be complaining about it in another 40 years.

Nah, just the St. Albans and Landon kids.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Regardless, the point is he lost control. He wasn't driving in reverse to begin with.

Because he was driving way too frickin' fast. Lol.

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Nah, just the St. Albans and Landon kids.

I went to St. Albans….

[Revan]

I thought it looked like he might have lifted & braked when he saw the cop car.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Revan

I thought it looked like he might have lifted & braked when he saw the cop car.

He didn't see any cop car.

[tom2021]

If he just released his foot off gas pedal completely, tap slightly on the brake pedal, hold tight on steering wheel, could he go through the corner?

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by tom2021

If he just released his foot off gas pedal completely, tap slightly on the brake pedal, hold tight on steering wheel, could he go through the corner?

I could certainly be wrong, but because of the curve it leads me to believe he was trying to drift, so it's anybody's guess as to what would have happened doing this or that. It takes no skill to induce the drift, medium skill to keep it, and great skill to save it.

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

He didn't see any cop car.

All we are doing is speculating. I think he did see the cop. Look at the picture in the link in the first post. I think the M3 driver was going fast around a curve, saw the cop car lights, and nailed the brakes. That transferred weight forward and lightened up the back end, putting the M3 into an unintended drift. Driver with little experience going too fast in a fast car.

But there are other possible explanations. He could have been driving too fast and the back end stepped out. He could have been going too fast and hit the brakes hard rather than gradually to slow the car. He could have swerved around another car to pass it and lost control on the curve.

The good news is that this time everyone lived. Hopefully the kid learned something.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

All we are doing is speculating. I think he did see the cop. Look at the picture in the link in the first post. I think the M3 driver was going fast around a curve, saw the cop car lights, and nailed the brakes. That transferred weight forward and lightened up the back end, putting the M3 into an unintended drift. Driver with little experience going too fast in a fast car.

But there are other possible explanations. He could have been driving too fast and the back end stepped out. He could have been going too fast and hit the brakes hard rather than gradually to slow the car. He could have swerved around another car to pass it and lost control on the curve.

The good news is that this time everyone lived. Hopefully the kid learned something.

We are all just speculating, true, but at 120 MPH there is a whole lot going on. Perhaps I'm considering this from my current perspective and 40 years of aggressive driving experience (vs. a dumbass 17 year old), but I'd be concentrating on the road conditions near to me rather than across the dual lane highway where my car was not going to travel (as intended at least - lol). Where the 17 year old would have had a straight line sight of the cruiser lights and where the M3 lost grip don't seem to match up. In the daylight, perceiving police lights against the bright daylight is difficult, especially at 120 MPH.

I don't know for sure but even if the M3 had the stability control turned off I still don't think that disables the antilock, maybe it does. Every BMW I've ever driven does not get cattywampus at full braking at elevated speeds. Lift oversteer seems likely based on the fuzzy video evidence, but it looks like the M3 lost grip and started to slide when the road was still straight. But yes, thank the Lord no one was killed. I hope the 7-series driver and LEO sue the living shit out of the teenager and his parents. Hopefully mom and dad are lobbyists and have bookoo DC bucks to pay out. I doubt the M3 driver will get his license back before he is 25. I doubt he's a STA student.

[Kilabyte]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

Exactly

I would be VERY careful with this advice. This could have an office exit his car and approach you with an itchy trigger finger, especially at night.

"He didn't obey my orders, he just kept driving, so..."

Agreed, a long time ago my friend got lit up as he approached a red light in his GTO, the state trooper pushed him across the intersection since he was waiting for a green to proceed

[jkline398]

Maybe I should have been more clear on time of day, during normal hours when traffic is busy I think it's appreciated. At night I have always just pulled over, people can see flashing lights for miles at night and cops at night are a different crowd anyway.

I remember first time as a kid I got flashing lights behind me speeding around the city and stopped (pulled over) in the road and the cop was yelling at me on PA to go to next turn off, then let me know from now on never pull over in traffic that he could add impeding traffic to it! But this was some 20+ years ago so who knows what they want nowadays I suppose.

However that PIT was an absurd judgment call, once again just makes cops look bad.