[jmack123]

Originally Posted by SoCali E36

That’s literally what I said.

Reading is fundamental. That’s literally not what you said.

You said their capability was STOLEN from the rest of the world.

Sorry, organically building a core competency over time is not “stealing”. You might want to re-check the definition of the word. I’ll acknowledge they have engaged in espionage which would certainly equate to stealing, but that’s not what we’re talking about here.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Our X7 and iX are high quality. What’s your definition or standard for quality?

An actual interior with real buttons, soft touch plastics that don't melt, screens that don't delaminate, real leather and natural materials throughout.

Originally Posted by jmack123

You pointed to “low cost” Chinese cars? Maybe you can point me to the point in your post where it said “low cost” and didn’t mention Chinese cars generally.

Or do you think all Chinese cars are inherently low cost?

By the way, tech in and of itself is not luxury, but is certainly a luxury feature.

Did I say ALL Chinese cars or specifically LOW cost Chinese cars?

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by jmack123

Great response.

Maybe since you know so much you can enlighten us. Or is this basic nonsense all you can respond with?

Honestly man, It looks to me like you're just looking for a fight.

[mjr24]

Originally Posted by jmack123

Great response.

Maybe since you know so much you can enlighten us. Or is this basic nonsense all you can respond with?

I don’t have time to educate stupid people on the Internet. Sorry.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

An actual interior with real buttons, soft touch plastics that don't melt, screens that don't delaminate, real leather and natural materials throughout.

We agree on real buttons, although the iX does have them on the center console for audio at least but also a couple other functions. We have full leather on both vehicles. IX has natural wood on the center console. Screens are taking over all cars, but I will agree the Mercedes and Porsche application are better. I don’t have any delaminating or plastic issues….yet. I will say relative to Tesla the BMWs are much, much better. That’s not saying a lot though. Compared to American and Korean and Japanese cars the BMWs are a step up imo.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

We agree on real buttons, although the iX does have them on the center console for audio at least but also a couple other functions. We have full leather on both vehicles. Screens are taking over all cars, but I will agree the Mercedes and Porsche application are better. I don’t have any delaminating or plastic issues….yet. I will say relative to Tesla the BMWs are much, much better. That’s not saying a lot though. Compared to American and Korean and Japanese cars the BMWs are a step up imo.

I just don't know if I can agree. Despite the idea Screen size = Luxury, screens are actually cheaper than real buttons, and a properly ergonomic layout. That's why all of these screen based interiors look like afterthoughts. Because they are/

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

I just don't know if I can agree. Despite the idea Screen size = Luxury, screens are actually cheaper than real buttons, and a properly ergonomic layout. That's why all of these screen based interiors look like afterthoughts. Because they are/

We agree on this. Buttons are the best and it’s a shame that luxury = screens. Mercedes and BMW should have found a happy medium. Porsche was button overload and have maintained haptic “buttons” in the center stack. I will probably go Porsche SUV next time around or Mercedes if Merc can do something manageable. That track pad is a disaster.

[Aussiejem]

A X5 50e and a X5 M60e?

[Game]

Originally Posted by Jd19

B&W in the iX has been titled the best audio system in any vehicle by multiple reviewers.

I believe it. First time my dealer got an iX I told everyone this is the best H/K system I’ve heard in a BMW. Remains true to this day.

[Rux]

Originally Posted by jmack123

The anti-Chinese racism is staggering on this forum.

You realize the Chinese are leading the world in many forms of tech, particularly EVs right?

Literally claiming a particular feature can not be luxurious because “Chinese” cars share the same feature. What a joke.

Well when you steal all the R&D you usually get a jump on the competition. Not racism, it’s facts. It’s also facts that it’s our own fault.

[jmack123]

Originally Posted by Rux

Well when you steal all the R&D you usually get a jump on the competition. Not racism, it’s facts. It’s also facts that it’s our own fault.

Maybe you can point me to the cyberattacks perpetrated by China. Any of them relate to the technology in electric vehicles? The only one that comes to mind is Sony and that certainly wouldn’t explain many of the tech components in Chinese EVs in particular.

It’s cute to say they “stole all the R&D”, but I doubt you have facts to back it up.

Furthermore, the insuation that the Chinese have to “steal” their way to advancement and are incapable of advancing based on their own merits/capability is yet another racist ideology pushed on this site.

[jmack123]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Did I say ALL Chinese cars or specifically LOW cost Chinese cars?

You said all buddy. Go back and read what you wrote.

[jmack123]

Originally Posted by mjr24

I don’t have time to educate stupid people on the Internet. Sorry.

Boy are you brilliant. When you can string together more than one sentence at a time get back to me.

[sor]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

So plastic? Imagine paying 100K for a plastic interior - Literally recycled trash.

Surely you can admit to the strawman you’re presenting here.

First off, theres a subjective aspect to “quality”. You may not like luxury high tech interiors, and that’s fine, but plenty of people are blown away by what we are seeing in new BMWs like the 5 and 7 series. No accounting for taste I guess.

Second, it’s much easier to tear down when you present recycled materials as “trash”, high tech screens as “delaminating, cheap”, etc. It’s classic strawman.

You have every right to the opinion, but it’s just that. Nobody really values an opinion that is so stilted, however.

[bavarianboar]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

We agree on this. Buttons are the best and it’s a shame that luxury = screens. Mercedes and BMW should have found a happy medium. Porsche was button overload and have maintained haptic “buttons” in the center stack. I will probably go Porsche SUV next time around or Mercedes if Merc can do something manageable. That track pad is a disaster.

Mr Musk destroyed the perception of luxury, and we are here to see aftermath for many decades, this direction may not have come.

On safety critical devices we still have old style switches for a reason due to failure cycle and ergonomics. The screens are distraction magnets and capacitive touch ain’t for use while drive as primary input mechanism.

We shall see how it all shakes out.

Screens are indeed cheap on many levels of auto manufacturing and design.

Big screens are the new big front grilles folks

[Nahlem]

Big screens is a thing i both like and dislike for many reasons, i do not like having everything there for example certain stuff could be buttons that would be better but i do not like the cars of old when the whole inside was buttons that looked tacky af. So a mix of the two should be the best option where certain stuff don't need to be on buttons like i am not sure why we still have rear wiper on stalks instead of touch screen that is such a rear usage that it could be there with smart select ofcourse or buttons like opening the fuel cap and such do those need to be on buttons or can we have it on screens. I wonder if any of the large manufactures have data on how much certain buttons/knobs/stalks are used then make up a decision based on that maybe.

For example do you change songs/radio station more often then changing temperature in the car? Probably then that maybe should be on the steering wheel. Could we have certain features of the cruise control on the screen and replace that with climate buttons on the steering wheel maybe?

But the steering wheel should not be touch i think that is problematic due to the nature of touch in it self that i can react weirdly to the sense of body parts being close to it, for example sometimes my current phone lock it self up in a weird way due some touch mechanics.

So i mean i like screen but they don't need to be for everything i would like to see a design language with the screens maybe being lower down so you can see more above the dash and over the hood while adding maybe more "HUD" features you could possibly have climate controls being able to be changed in the hud display or so.

[Bimmerfun82]

Like this? BMW invented the ergonomic standard and allowed Tesla to change their entire philosophy.

[sahajesh]

I’m hoping the new iX5 is good (quality wise) as I miss my X5.

If it’s out in time, I’ll get that otherwise the Macan EV for 2 years or so and maybe back to BMW again.

[LuckyBrand]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Like this? BMW invented the ergonomic standard and allowed Tesla to change their entire philosophy.

Thats a tasty interior.

[wtwo3]

If the X5 is going to "high luxury", I wonder what that means for the X7. Curious what the next gen X7 will offer to differentiate itself besides just an extra row of seats.

[avi66]

From post #1 - “G65 X5 will push hard into high luxury”

Didn’t BMW say something similar abut the G45 ? Look how cheap and not luxury that turned out.

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by ssabripo

Man, that would suck so hard! I cannot fathom how heavy that thing will be if that's the case

Maybe I'll just pick up a last year model G05 X5M in the summer of 2026 and call it a day

This is what I am contemplating doing despite my aversion to the 145k price tag.