[panicos81]

proper gun control cannot be implemented now simply because there are already millions in the market. what can be done and should be done is proper education and parenting. The notion that carrying guns is ok, that solving a problem with a gun is ok, that you have the right to carry a firearm is morally ok eventhough its in the constitution, must be lessened in the peoples mind. most importand role is that of the family then school and the social media.
about this incident, i dont think that if someone trained was there would have made much of a difference, there was smoke, people running, the guy was in a full bulletproof suit, even had a neck protector.

[immiketoo]

Originally Posted by panicos81

proper gun control cannot be implemented now simply because there are already millions in the market. what can be done and should be done is proper education and parenting. The notion that carrying guns is ok, that solving a problem with a gun is ok, that you have the right to carry a firearm is morally ok eventhough its in the constitution, must be lessened in the peoples mind. most importand role is that of the family then school and the social media.
about this incident, i dont think that if someone trained was there would have made much of a difference, there was smoke, people running, the guy was in a full bulletproof suit, even had a neck protector.

You're wrong.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by immiketoo

You're wrong.

I'm not the official translator or anything but I believe the above comment was directed at the bolded statement below. And I believe you're wrong as well.

Originally Posted by panicos81

proper gun control cannot be implemented now simply because there are already millions in the market. what can be done and should be done is proper education and parenting. The notion that carrying guns is ok, that solving a problem with a gun is ok, that you have the right to carry a firearm is morally ok eventhough its in the constitution, must be lessened in the peoples mind. most importand role is that of the family then school and the social media.
about this incident, i dont think that if someone trained was there would have made much of a difference, there was smoke, people running, the guy was in a full bulletproof suit, even had a neck protector.

[48Laws]

The only thing worse than one gunman, is two. Thinking more guns would've improved the scenario is Hollywood movie fantasy.

[kevinbahnz]

unless you were a ninja , who could maneuver within the shadows and take out the gunman with his blowgun.

[128vertinnoho]

Why does anyone who is not active duty military on the battlefield need an assault rifle? Or clips that hold 30 rounds or more? I don't want to ban all guns from private sale, just assault type weapons.

It would be best to go back to the types of weapons when the second amendment was written! Then there would be no theater mass killings.

[Colt]

I think more police officers should be present more often at events such as this, where a lot of people are in one area (especially a midnight showing); instead of being camped up on the highway pulling people over for doing 74 in a 65.

[48Laws]

^^^ After the fact that sounds good but, honestly we don't need to encourage more of a police state than we already have. I personally think cops everywhere gives off a feeling of a less secure, less free state. Plus, the cops will be preoccupied with trvial crap like loud music, skateboarding, and loitering. SMH

[CollinsE90]

Australia has some of the toughest gun laws in the world.

Crime stats: Australia vs United States


Assault victims.....Australia 2.4%.....USA 1.2%
.....Australia Ranked 4th. 100% more than United States.....
.....USA Ranked 11th.


Believe in police efficiency.....Australia 76%.....USA 89%
.....Australia Ranked 4th.
.....USA Ranked 1st. 17% more than Australia


Perception of safety > Walking in dark.....Australia 64%.....USA 82%
.....Australia Ranked 14th.
.....USA Ranked 2nd. 28% more than Australia


Rape victims.....Australia 1% 0.4%
.....Australia Ranked 5th. 150% more than United States
.....USA Ranked 13th.


Suicide rates in ages 15-24
.....Australia 14.6 per 100,000 people
.....USA 13.7 per 100,000 people


Suicide rates in ages 25-34
.....Australia 18.7 per 100,000 people
.....USA 15.3 per 100,000 people
.....Australia 22% more than United States


Total crime victims
.....Australia 30.1% Ranked 1st.
.....43% more than United States
.....USA 21.1% Ranked 15th.


DEFINITION: People victimized by crime (as a % of the total population). Data refer to people victimized by one or more of 11 crimes recorded in the survey: robbery, burglary, attempted burglary, car theft, car vandalism, bicycle theft, sexual assault, theft from car, theft of personal property, assault and threats. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.
SOURCE: UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute).



VIOLENT CRIMES

USA ............403 per 100,000
AUSTRALIA.....766 per 100,000


Sources:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...crime/rapemain

http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/0/B/...%7Dfacts11.pdf



Top 10 Countries - Victims of Crime Ratio

Rank Countries Amount

# 1 Australia: 30.1%

# 2 New Zealand: 29.4%
# 3 United Kingdom: 26.4%
# 4 Netherlands: 25.2%
# 5 Sweden: 24.7%
# 6 Italy: 24.6%
# 7 Canada: 23.8%
# 8 Saint Kitts and Nevis: 23.2%
# 9 Malta: 23.1%
# 10 Denmark: 23%

USA is not even in the top 10!

source:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...-total-victims


...England and Wales are also placed towards the very top of the international crime league table for car offences, burglary, sex and violent assaults.

The poor comparison with other nations - it shares the overall worst crime rate with Australia - represents an embarrassing blow to Labour's law-and-order credentials in the run-up to the general election.

Some 40,000 people from 17 industrialised countries, including the US, Portugal, France and Poland, were asked whether they had been crime victims as part of the International Crime Victims Survey, which the Home Office help draw up with the Dutch ministry of justice. This system of questioning - similar to that used in the British Crime Survey - is considered more accurate than offences recorded by the police.

In most categories of crime, England and Wales compete with Australia for the top spot. Switzerland, Japan and Northern Ireland are consistently among the most crime-free.

England and Wales also had the highest number of crimes categorised as "very serious" - 18 per 100 inhabitants. Offences involving robbery, sexual and physical assault were highest in Australia, followed by England and Wales. Scotland was fourth.


source:
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/aus...FR56I1DVSCKJFI

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

The only thing worse than one gunman, is two. Thinking more guns would've improved the scenario is Hollywood movie fantasy.

So if you were being held at gunpoint whie your wife or daughter were being raped you would rather the police show up with pepper spray and tasers?

[Augenbrauezug]

Originally Posted by MP0WER

So if you were being held at gunpoint whie your wife or daughter were being raped you would rather the police show up with pepper spray and tasers?

Lol what? He's talking about the Aurora incident...

[ScotchAndCigar]

Originally Posted by 128vertinnoho

Why does anyone who is not active duty military on the battlefield need an assault rifle? Or clips that hold 30 rounds or more? I don't want to ban all guns from private sale, just assault type weapons.

It would be best to go back to the types of weapons when the second amendment was written! Then there would be no theater mass killings.

^this

Can someone make a defense for the availability of the semi-automatics? And while I support gun rights, this 2nd amendment fallback is a crock of shit. Wasn't it adopted when there was no national military? Forming a militia today is actually illegal.

[ideliver]

Why is it that the same people that want to ban guns are also the same people that want to decriminalize drug use?

BTW, I support the decriminalization of drug use and the legal possession of drugs...among other civil liberties.

[CollinsE90]

Originally Posted by ScotchAndCigar

^this

Can someone make a defense for the availability of the semi-automatics? And while I support gun rights, this 2nd amendment fallback is a crock of shit. Wasn't it adopted when there was no national military? Forming a militia today is actually illegal.

The kid that shot that Senator was wielding two Glocks with 33 round mag extensions. There isn't a gray area with weapons. You can't outlaw one type and expect it to make drastic changes, people will adapt.

[Augenbrauezug]

Originally Posted by ScotchAndCigar

^this

Can someone make a defense for the availability of the semi-automatics? And while I support gun rights, this 2nd amendment fallback is a crock of shit. Wasn't it adopted when there was no national military? Forming a militia today is actually illegal.

Eh, I know a lot of people that prefer to go boar hunting with an ak-47. Might sound ridiculous, but the guns are super reliable, accurate, and powerful enough to be sure the boar goes down. This isn't to say though, that a 30/06 couldn't get the job done just the same. However, when a boar is charging you and he's hard to see through the brush, it is helpful to know that if the first shot misses you don't have to do anything but bring it back in your sights and squeeze the trigger.

I see what you are saying though, and in most cases the choice of weapons available are ridiculous for any practical need. Maybe magazine size should be limited. California already does this, and limits larger caliber firearms to 10rounds. I can't think of any practical need for more than 10 rounds.

This thread gave me an itchy trigger finger, just left the gun range =]

[fokus45]

Originally Posted by ScotchAndCigar

^this

Can someone make a defense for the availability of the semi-automatics? And while I support gun rights, this 2nd amendment fallback is a crock of shit. Wasn't it adopted when there was no national military? Forming a militia today is actually illegal.

Freedom of speech was before the interwebz. Maybe we should ban that too. Opinions are spread on the internet and taken for fact. It is polluting minds and causing violence.

I am all for guns.

[ideliver]

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

The kid that shot that Senator was wielding two Glocks with 33 round mag extensions. There isn't a gray area with weapons. You can't outlaw one type and expect it to make drastic changes, people will adapt.

as always..colins is wise beyond his years...with 10 min of practice any handgun can be reloaded in under one second...there are 10,000 YT video's showing this...

the only thing stopping these mass killings are a well armed citizenry...government can't protect us

[Chrisruf911]

Originally Posted by ideliver

as always..colins is wise beyond his years...with 10 min of practice any handgun can be reloaded in under one second...there are 10,000 YT video's showing this...

the only thing stopping these mass killings are a well armed citizenry...government can't protect us

Well put. If assault rifles are not available, a person with homicidal tendencies will find a way to kill. I'm sure this guy would have used a bomb or something along those line if no firearms were available. Assault rifles are used in very few gun related crimes according to FBI statistics. I have hunted with an ar-15. It's light and extremely accurate. So there are uses for the weapons outside of the military.

[CollinsE90]

Originally Posted by ideliver

as always..colins is wise beyond his years...with 10 min of practice any handgun can be reloaded in under one second...there are 10,000 YT video's showing this...

the only thing stopping these mass killings are a well armed citizenry...government can't protect us

I present my first exhibit

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by ideliver

the only thing stopping these mass killings are a well armed citizenry...government can't protect us

James Holmes was a well-armed citizen...

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by MP0WER

So if you were being held at gunpoint whie your wife or daughter were being raped you would rather the police show up with pepper spray and tasers?

Don't you think that's a bit loaded ( no pun intended). How about throwing in an atomic bomb to thicken the plot.

[CollinsE90]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

James Holmes was a well-armed citizen...

So was Robin Hood, but he didn't hurt anyone. That's just as loaded as what you just quoted.