things you think BMW could have added to the m4

[pkimM3r]

I got my new vanity plate:

I6TTLOL

[JTO24]

20 mm drop with the adaptive susp. and spacers as factory options like Porsche does.. could be cool.

[Dannys M3]

Idle control valve issues, connecting rod bearings that wear out prematurely, differential bolts that crack, AC evaporators that need to be replaced after warranty runs out.

[Maddict3]

Originally Posted by aajami

And then takes them out with the introduction of every new 3-series. I don't understand this thinking.

I am so lost.

Will the M4 not have LED tail lights?

[aajami]

Originally Posted by Maddict3

I am so lost.

Will the M4 not have LED tail lights?

The pre-LCI M4 will not have LED taillights. You'll have to wait a couple of years for the introduction of the LCI model for LED blinkers on your $80,000 car.

[aajami]

Originally Posted by JTO24

20 mm drop with the adaptive susp. and spacers as factory options like Porsche does.. could be cool.

Adaptive suspension on Porsches are only a 10mm drop. You'd need to opt for the static Sports Suspension option to get a 20mm drop.

[basscadet]

Originally Posted by aajami

The pre-LCI M4 will not have LED taillights. You'll have to wait a couple of years for the introduction of the LCI model for LED blinkers on your $80,000 car.

How do you know that? I don't think they can get away with crap like that in 2014.

[basscadet]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

What does s65 lack?

Im still confused to these comments.

S2k and my current car are my favorite so far. High revving engines that scream to 9k rpm. What do you think the gt3 does?

what does it lack? Oh let me count the ways:

-shit fuel economy
-no torque
-expensive

The GT3 engine makes an additional 50 ft/lb of torque in a smaller motor with less cylinders and displacement. In a car designed for the track and not street driving. (The M3 is a GT daily driver, not a sports car) In no way can you compare the two engines.

It may sound sweet, it may be bullet-proof, but it's a terrible engine for a street car. And BMW agrees which is why they ditched it entirely rather than try to make it more powerful and efficient.

[aajami]

Originally Posted by basscadet

How do you know that? I don't think they can get away with crap like that in 2014.

1) The M4 Concept has incandescent turn signals.
2) The M3 and M4 mules have incandescent turn signals.
3) The F30 and F32 that they're based on have incandescent turn signals.
4) The pre-LCI E46 and E9X had incandescent turn signals, and when it comes to production, BMW is a creature of habit.

Someone should do the research. What's the cheapest car you can buy that has LED signals?

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by aajami

Adaptive suspension on Porsches are only a 10mm drop. You'd need to opt for the static Sports Suspension option to get a 20mm drop.

Yes, thank you for the correction

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by basscadet

what does it lack? Oh let me count the ways:

-shit fuel economy
-no torque
-expensive

The GT3 engine makes an additional 50 ft/lb of torque in a smaller motor with less cylinders and displacement. In a car designed for the track and not street driving. (The M3 is a GT daily driver, not a sports car) In no way can you compare the two engines.

It may sound sweet, it may be bullet-proof, but it's a terrible engine for a street car. And BMW agrees which is why they ditched it entirely rather than try to make it more powerful and efficient.

Fuel economy? you're better off in a prius.

No torque?! The m3 has 300lbft of torque....oh sorry its 295....that 5lbft is the make it or break it vs the n54/5 isn't it?

I wasn't saying that the s65 is anywhere near the GT3 RS 4.0 or the new GT3 but simply stating that they are similar in character....screams pulling all the way to redline which is 9000rpms!!

And yes, the GT3 has a SUPERIOR engine in every way IMO, and it is the ultimate car (for me at least, could really care less about utility when it comes to this car) and I will one day own one (praying lol).

GT3 RS 4.0
500hp @ 8250rpm
339tq @ 5750rpm
1.47hp to tq ratio

GT3 (991)
475hp @ 8250rpm
324tq @ 6250rpm
1.47hp to tq ratio

M3
414hp @ 8300rpm
300tq @ 3900rpm
1.38hp to tq ratio

So actually for all you low end torque complainers, the GT3s are actually worse. omg you have to rev to 6000rpm before you get any torque...SERIOUSLY?!

I don't see the extra 50lbft of torque anywhere.....and, are GT3 engines any less expensive?!

[jbockrd]

Originally Posted by paddy335

I have summarised the needs of this community:

600hp
huge torque
epic soundtrack (non synthesised)
9000+rpm
easy DD
storming track machine
sub 1000kg
every mod con possible including ventilated seats
affordable
collectible
a 'true M'
better than the GT3 and GTR
<5 litres per 100km fuel economy
carbon everything - tastefully done of course

You Sir would be the car designer of the century!!!!!!!!!!!!

[paddy335]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

So actually for all you low end torque complainers, the GT3s are actually worse. omg you have to rev to 6000rpm before you get any torque...SERIOUSLY?!

I don't see the extra 50lbft of torque anywhere.....and, are GT3 engines any less expensive?!

I don't really care for the whole torque debate (if you are a torque junky go get a diesel), but you are kind of forgetting in this comparison that the GT3 weights about 200kg less than the M3. Which will have a substantial impact on how that torque impacts performance.

[pkimM3r]

Im not complaining about torque. Im also not comparing the two cars. But ppl who want low end torque in 6th gear at 40 mph will still complain is what i was saying

[ersin]

Originally Posted by turbolag

Not the F80, iirc.

But this thread was about the M4, which does have a CSL style trunk (so they say).

Here's what the F8x should have that the S65 engines don't: a dipstick!

I would also like the FLIR camera option.


Cheers.

[paddy335]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

Im not complaining about torque. Im also not comparing the two cars. But ppl who want low end torque in 6th gear at 40 mph will still complain is what i was saying

Agreed.

As I said, if you want big torque at low speeds in high gears, get a diesel.

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by paddy335

Agreed.

As I said, if you want big torque at low speeds in high gears, get a diesel.

+1 and this is from a FBO 335i and tuned b8.5 s4 owner.. Don't be lazy shift or wind it out more it's not hard. There are plenty of torque monsters out there.. I still want an f80 m3 in addition to my e92 as I feel the f80 will improve in many areas but again my e92 just doesn't disappoint at the moment.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by JTO24

+1 and this is from a FBO 335i and tuned b8.5 s4 owner.. Don't be lazy shift or wind it out more it's not hard. There are plenty of torque monsters out there.. I still want an f80 m3 in addition to my e92 as I feel the f80 will improve in many areas but again my e92 just doesn't disappoint at the moment.

i hope we just ended the lack of torque myth!!!

i never understood not being in the right gear to accelerate...how else would it be done??

[basscadet]

Originally Posted by paddy335

Agreed.

As I said, if you want big torque at low speeds in high gears, get a diesel.

Nobody in here is talking about lugging around in 6th gear at 40mph. He's using a straw-man attack.

This is about having power low in the powerband without having to wring-out the motor. I'm not going to go fight this battle again, the lack of torque in this engine is well documented. We can keep posting smiley faces but reality is reality.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by aajami

1) The M4 Concept has incandescent turn signals.
2) The M3 and M4 mules have incandescent turn signals.
3) The F30 and F32 that they're based on have incandescent turn signals.
4) The pre-LCI E46 and E9X had incandescent turn signals, and when it comes to production, BMW is a creature of habit.

Someone should do the research. What's the cheapest car you can buy that has LED signals?

^^This!

I think the cheapest car will probably be the Kia Rio. I know it has LED headlight features, but I'm not sure about taillights.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by basscadet

Nobody in here is talking about lugging around in 6th gear at 40mph. He's using a straw-man attack.

This is about having power low in the powerband without having to wring-out the motor. I'm not going to go fight this battle again, the lack of torque in this engine is well documented. We can keep posting smiley faces but reality is reality.

If you are in the right gear there is plenty of tq. So in what situations are you talking about ?

I can only imagine when trying to overtake in 6th gear at any mph. I was using 40mph in 6th as exaggeration.

Drive it properly and this thing is decently quick. Dont even mention how n54/55 has so much torque because i drive both daily and there is not much difference. Plus a diff of 5lbft?! If anything the torque seems a bit more on initial acceleration but it slows down massively in the mid to higher revs vs the s65.

[basscadet]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

Dont even mention how n54/55 has so much torque because i drive both daily and there is not much difference..

You do not notice a significant difference in daily street driving between the N54 and the S65? Either you spend all the time in your M3 at 6500 RPMs or you are being sarcastic.