[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by jamesinaz

I have a feeling a ride along in my area would be dull. Most excitement would be domestics and I really don't want to see that.

And i think our LE here where I live is pretty decent all in all. I wasn't happy with how they targeted hispanic looking people under Joe Arpaiou (sp). But other wise I'm OK with how they do their job.

There were things I liked about Arpaio, including his "tough on crime and illegal immigration" approach. Out of curiosity, how were Hispanics targeted in your experience? I ask sincerely because on my experience with him and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department. Many of the allegations lobbied against him at the time aren't very different than what other law enforcement officials experience when they actually try to combat crime. LAPD is at a point where they are told to stand down when it comes to arresting blacks because everything is racist.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

There were things I liked about Arpaio, including his "tough on crime and illegal immigration" approach. Out of curiosity, how were Hispanics targeted in your experience? I ask sincerely because on my experience with him and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department. Many of the allegations lobbied against him at the time aren't very different than what other law enforcement officials experience when they actually try to combat crime. LAPD is at a point where they are told to stand down when it comes to arresting blacks because everything is racist.

Not doing a good job staying away from the politics, are we? That dude is a way out nut job

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

There were things I liked about Arpaio, including his "tough on crime and illegal immigration" approach. Out of curiosity, how were Hispanics targeted in your experience? I ask sincerely because on my experience with him and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department. Many of the allegations lobbied against him at the time aren't very different than what other law enforcement officials experience when they actually try to combat crime. LAPD is at a point where they are told to stand down when it comes to arresting blacks because everything is racist.

I have a friend that used to come visit with us in the Guitar Store in Cave Creek, an area served by Maricopa Sheriffs dept. This friend is a retired career marine shot twice in combat serving our country. He was born and raised in Arizona. He also had a horse shoeing business on the side where he drives a pickup and tows a small trailer with tools of the trade. He is hispanic and his appearance is clearly hispanic.

When Joe started his own enforcement of illegal immigration his deputies targeted Hispanics driving pickups. He was stopped several times and basically given the evil eye. They did a double check on his ID etc. This happened to him at least 3 times. I lived in Cave Creek at the time. White guy. Driving a Mercedes. I have never been stopped by Maricopa PD.

I also witnessed deputies stopping a larger truck with trailer and having all the occupants sitting on the side of the road in the hot sun. Had to be about 15 of them lined up sitting on the dusty side of the road. Not sure what probable cause they had. Guessing they thought it was OK to just pull over hispanics in a work truck and start asking for their papers.

Look I liked tent city. I like his chain gangs. I liked the green bologna and pink underwear and all that stuff. But when he started this blatant harassment of people of hispanic appearance he crossed a line for me. And immigration enforcement isn't local LE's job. Note he was sued and lost costing us tax payers money. The evidence indicated my experience isn't unique. Now I'm OK if in the process if a legitimate arrest someone is arrested who doesn't speak English and has no ID contracting the FEDs. But this wasn't what was occurring.

I also want to point out I am very unhappy with the border controls as they stand. We should not be having over a million a year flood into our country. Biden and the DEMs that endorse sanctuary cities etc. should all be jailed for violation of their duty and basically sending a welcome mat to impoverished people in central America. So it isn't that I don't want controls. I just want it done properly.

Lastly he did sign off on my NFA back in the day so he did have that going for him.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by jamesinaz

I have a friend that used to come visit with us in the Guitar Store in Cave Creek, an area served by Maricopa Sheriffs dept. This friend is a retired career marine shot twice in combat serving our country. He was born and raised in Arizona. He also had a horse shoeing business on the side where he drives a pickup and tows a small trailer with tools of the trade. He is hispanic and his appearance is clearly hispanic.

When Joe started his own enforcement of illegal immigration his deputies targeted Hispanics driving pickups. He was stopped several times and basically given the evil eye. They did a double check on his ID etc. This happened to him at least 3 times. I lived in Cave Creek at the time. White guy. Driving a Mercedes. I have never been stopped by Maricopa PD.

I also witnessed deputies stopping a larger truck with trailer and having all the occupants sitting on the side of the road in the hot sun. Had to be about 15 of them lined up sitting on the dusty side of the road. Not sure what probable cause they had. Guessing they thought it was OK to just pull over hispanics in a work truck and start asking for their papers.

Look I liked tent city. I like his chain gangs. I liked the green bologna and pink underwear and all that stuff. But when he started this blatant harassment of people of hispanic appearance he crossed a line for me. And immigration enforcement isn't local LE's job. Note he was sued and lost costing us tax payers money. The evidence indicated my experience isn't unique. Now I'm OK if in the process if a legitimate arrest someone is arrested who doesn't speak English and has no ID contracting the FEDs. But this wasn't what was occurring.

I also want to point out I am very unhappy with the border controls as they stand. We should not be having over a million a year flood into our country. Biden and the DEMs that endorse sanctuary cities etc. should all be jailed for violation of their duty and basically sending a welcome mat to impoverished people in central America. So it isn't that I don't want controls. I just want it done properly.

Lastly he did sign off on my NFA back in the day so he did have that going for him.

Got it! I can understand your frustration and your discontent with how things look(ed) ostensibly, but do understand the perspective on illegal immigration, jurisdiction, etc. is very different from our vantage point. When the illegal immigrants, and to a larger degree….the cartels, are intertwined and partially responsible for the crime in your jurisdiction, it isn't something you can just overlook and ignore (…and subsequently wait for the Feds to address). We deal with the trafficking and the cartels (…and the associated gang and drug activity) where I patrol, and I'm not anywhere near the border. I can't even imagine having to deal with what we deal with twenty-fold. The cartel power is impressive.

As to the profiling…..


….yeah, I won't deny that your buddy was profiled, but we all do it (..even civilians). You didn't quite fit the criminal profile, so it is reasonable that you never dealt with law enforcement. Unfortunately, the border crime that agencies are addressing primarily consist of the diaspora from ethnically Hispanic regions. It's not so much racist as it is the reality.

The truck with the 15 occupants was likely detained for some Arizona vehicle code violation regarding passengers in the bed of the truck/trailer without federally-approved safety restraints, etc…….which is a valid violation, even here in California. That was enough to detain and check everybody out.

[vreihen16]

Just saw this video, and all that I can say is WOW!

Is this event just a Texas thing, or do motor officers all over the country host similar competitions?

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[T0RM3NT]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

Just saw this video, and all that I can say is WOW!

Is this event just a Texas thing, or do motor officers all over the country host similar competitions?

X1000!

Amazing riding.

[Watching The World Burn]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

no, I was correct

Let's take this out of the thread. PM me and tell me. Because despite you insisting you were correct, you have failed to expand or provide any proof you are right. So PM me and we can discuss there.

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by Watching The World Burn

Let's take this out of the thread. PM me and tell me. Because despite you insisting you were correct, you have failed to expand or provide any proof you are right. So PM me and we can discuss there.

The "ignore" list is a wonderful thing!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

Just saw this video, and all that I can say is WOW!

Is this event just a Texas thing, or do motor officers all over the country host similar competitions?

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Those events happen all over the country. The talent present at those events are impressive for sure.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

Just saw this video, and all that I can say is WOW!

Is this event just a Texas thing, or do motor officers all over the country host similar competitions?

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That's some impressive riding!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Esteban

That's some impressive riding!

Did you hear about the shooting yesterday close to where we reside? Stay vigilant my friend.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Did you hear about the shooting yesterday close to where we reside? Stay vigilant my friend.

Was that the shooting at Victoria Gardens? Had not heard about it till you mentioned it. Was it a robbery?

US Open Tennis is currently happening and I've been watching that instead of the news so I'm not up to date on current events.

[UncleWede]

What ever happened to the legislation to stop bail in Cali?

Two recent arrestees in the 'Nard were listed as still incarcerated due to bails in the $1mil+ range. That's just not FAIR!! How are gang-bangers that had to resort to home invasion going to raise that kind of cash??? Their 3rd amigo was shot by the home owner and didn't make it to the hospital. . .

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Was that the shooting at Victoria Gardens? Had not heard about it till you mentioned it. Was it a robbery?

US Open Tennis is currently happening and I've been watching that instead of the news so I'm not up to date on current events.

I was in Las Vegas when it happened. I'm going to talk to some of the local guys and get the circs.

Originally Posted by UncleWede

What ever happened to the legislation to stop bail in Cali?

Two recent arrestees in the 'Nard were listed as still incarcerated due to bails in the $1mil+ range. That's just not FAIR!! How are gang-bangers that had to resort to home invasion going to raise that kind of cash??? Their 3rd amigo was shot by the home owner and didn't make it to the hospital. . .

I think it's still circulating.

[UncleWede]

The home owner was stabbed, not sure before/after he shot the invader, and the DA is STILL considering ruling it justifiable homicide????

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

The home owner was stabbed, not sure before/after he shot the invader, and the DA is STILL considering ruling it justifiable homicide????

This world is ass backwards.

[rebekahb]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

The home owner was stabbed, not sure before/after he shot the invader, and the DA is STILL considering ruling it justifiable homicide????

I can't with this type of decision making. If someone breaks into his home is he just gonna stand there and say welcome criminal? Is he going to try and defend his home or protect his family? This world is becoming more and more f'ed up.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by rebekahb

I can't with this type of decision making. If someone breaks into his home is he just gonna stand there and say welcome criminal? Is he going to try and defend his home or protect his family? This world is becoming more and more f'ed up.

It's crazy that a discussion is even needed under those circumstances. If you're in my residence unannounced - and with a weapon on top of that - all bets are off.

[UncleWede]

Some are trying to spin it as the DA is "trying to protect the homeowner from being sued by next of kin"

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Some are trying to spin it as the DA is "trying to protect the homeowner from being sued by next of kin"

The DA can't stop a civil suit from happening. By ruling the death "justifiable," that is protection enough.

[T0RM3NT]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It's crazy that a discussion is even needed under those circumstances. If you're in my residence unannounced - and with a weapon on top of that - all bets are off.

When I moved to Colorado, I was in the military. We had an orientation briefing that had a police officer come and speak, among many others, to get us familiar with the area, laws, etc.

The police officer spoke to Colorado's "Make my Day" law. I'm paraphrasing, but essentially, "if an intruder illegally enters your home, and you fear for your life and/or the life of others in the home, shoot them if they are entirely in your dwelling." He went on to say, that you can't know the intention of somebody already entering your home illegally and where that intention ends. Protect yourself and your family if you can. He also mentioned that Colorado does not have a duty to retreat due to someone illegally entering your home. He continued, that when the police show up, make it clear that you feared for your life and the others in the home.

Now, I'm not entirely sure what the police officer said is 100 percent correct, but it has stuck with me since 1993. Looking at some of the Colorado Revised Statutes, it looks fairly accurate.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by T0RM3NT

When I moved to Colorado, I was in the military. We had an orientation briefing that had a police officer come and speak, among many others, to get us familiar with the area, laws, etc.

The police officer spoke to Colorado's "Make my Day" law. I'm paraphrasing, but essentially, "if an intruder illegally enters your home, and you fear for your life and/or the life of others in the home, shoot them if they are entirely in your dwelling." He went on to say, that you can't know the intention of somebody already entering your home illegally and where that intention ends. Protect yourself and your family if you can. He also mentioned that Colorado does not have a duty to retreat due to someone illegally entering your home. He continued, that when the police show up, make it clear that you feared for your life and the others in the home.

Now, I'm not entirely sure what the police officer said is 100 percent correct, but it has stuck with me since 1993. Looking at some of the Colorado Revised Statutes, it looks fairly accurate.

It's accurate.