[John-M007]

Does anyone knows as to why we do not get the Laser Lights on the US 5 Series?

And why did they took away the automatic soft close doors on the 2021 5 Series model year?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

ynguldyn Is there any indication that a RWD G83 will be added at some point?

Your release schedule indicates that July will bring three xDrive M3/M4 models - the G80, G82, and G83. Any sign of a RWD G83 on the horizon?

There's only one G83 version remaining in the pipeline.

[bayarea328xit]

I'm left wondering if the current 8-cylinder engines on the existing models are the end of the line. No 8-cyclinder ICE or hybrids in the future.

As each model goes out of production, the next model generation will not have an 8-cylinder engine in the line up.

If this is true, the last 8-cylinder BMWs will be the X6 M50i and X6 M.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

I'm left wondering if the current 8-cylinder engines on the existing models are the end of the line. No 8-cyclinder ICE or hybrids in the future.

From the OP:

September 2019

• The next 8 cylinder M motor is going to be called S68. Most likely, it will be an evolution of S63, not something radically new. I would expect some electrification with the internal combustion side mostly staying the same.

This engine will probably debut in the upcoming XM which does not yet have a release date. Also expect to see it in the next generation M5, M8 GC, X5 M, and X6 M.

BMW needs something to remain competitive against Mercedes' upcoming 63e and 73e models which will use a M177 V8 hybrid setup, so hopefully the S68 is used in a similar way with at least 100hp coming from the electric motor(s).

Whether any of the M50i models (or the 750i) will continue with a V8 in some form for the next generation of vehicles is still not known. It is worth noting that Mercedes brand new W223 S Class includes an S580 model with a ~500hp M176 V8 with 48V mild hybrid system.

[bayarea328xit]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

From the OP:

This engine will probably debut in the upcoming XM which does not yet have a release date. Also expect to see it in the next generation M5, M8 GC, X5 M, and X6 M.

BMW needs something to remain competitive against Mercedes' upcoming 63e and 73e models which will use a M177 V8 hybrid setup, so hopefully the S68 is used in a similar way with at least 100hp coming from the electric motor(s).

Whether any of the M50i models (or the 750i) will continue with a V8 in some form for the next generation of vehicles is still not known. It is worth noting that Mercedes brand new W223 S Class includes an S580 model with a ~500hp M176 V8 with 48V mild hybrid system.

I certainly hope you are right - things are changing so quickly that I'm left wondering if the 8-cylinder engine development will be cut off earlier than was planned as recently as Sep 2019.

Edit: Your note re MB S 580 likely confirms the 8 cylinder getting carried forward to at least the next generation of the current models that carry the 8 cylinder engine.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

I certainly hope you are right - things are changing so quickly that I'm left wondering if the 8-cylinder engine development will be cut off earlier than was planned as recently as Sep 2019.

Rest assured, V8 engines are going nowhere soon. Hybridized V8s will be mainstays this decade in performance vehicles from Germany and elsewhere.

This beast:

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...oupe-spy-shots

is ready to go and will debut very soon, and the engine will be used in other vehicles. BMW isn't going to watch their competitors from the sidelines.

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

Edit: Your note re MB S 580 likely confirms the 8 cylinder getting carried forward to at least the next generation of the current models that carry the 8 cylinder engine.

Ironically, that's not necessarily the case. The reason is, 500hp isn't hard to reach with an I6 hybrid setup. In fact, Mercedes happens to be adding an S580e soon that will employ their M256 I6 in a PHEV arrangement making about 500hp. BMW is cooking up something similar for an upcoming lineup of M50e models for their next generation. They may yet choose to position these as the replacements for, rather than additions to, the M50i lineup - we don't know.

But the top dog V8 M models will stick around for at least one more round.

[bayarea328xit]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Rest assured, V8 engines are going nowhere soon. Hybridized V8s will be mainstays this decade in performance vehicles from Germany and elsewhere.

This beast:

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...oupe-spy-shots

is ready to go and will debut very soon, and the engine will be used in other vehicles. BMW isn't going to watch their competitors from the sidelines.



Ironically, that's not necessarily the case. The reason is, 500hp isn't hard to reach with an I6 hybrid setup. In fact, Mercedes happens to be adding an S580e soon that will employ their M256 I6 in a PHEV arrangement making about 500hp. BMW is cooking up something similar for an upcoming lineup of M50e models for their next generation. They may yet choose to position these as the replacements for, rather than additions to, the M50i lineup - we don't know.

But the top dog V8 M models will stick around for at least one more round.

Thanks for your thoughts - really helpful.

Considering the added weight, (given where we are right now in terms of hp/tq output) I think hybridization of the V8 seems quite pointless other than for bragging rights.

Given what is likely the low fraction of V8s sold for the current models, I wonder how may sales they are going to get of the hybridized V8s.

It would be helpful to see the distribution of sales by # of cylinders for the 5, 7, 8, X5, X6, X7 (including Ms) for the past year.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

Considering the added weight, (given where we are right now in terms of hp/tq output) I think hybridization of the V8 seems quite pointless other than for bragging rights.

There's a bit of that, sure. However, I don't think Mercedes would have spent all that money with nothing to show for it. Expect the GT73e to trounce the GT63 model. But yes, it'll be interesting to see how much weight it gains.

It would be helpful to see the distribution of sales by # of cylinders for the 5, 7, 8, X5, X6, X7 (including Ms) for the past year.

Those numbers aren't public. However, we do have global BMW sales numbers and global BMW M sales numbers:

BMW = 2,028,659
BMW M = 144,218

So BMWs performance and high performance sales make up a little over 7% of their total. Since all BMW V8 models are now M models except the 750i, this number includes nearly all of the V8s. If we assume M models make up roughly the same percentage across each vehicle in the lineup, we can set an upper bound on the V8 at roughly 7% of BMW's engine mix in the 5/6/7/8 families. Yes, that assumption is a bit of a reach, and this is a very coarse grained analysis, so take it for what it's worth. But we know it's not completely in left field. My gut says that the actual V8 number is lower - perhaps around 5% - but that's just a SWAG.

[soheil]

Is there going to be any LCI or update to i3 for MY2022? I can't seem to find any info for i3 in OP's original post. If I'm not mistaken SOP should be in November

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by soheil

Is there going to be any LCI or update to i3 for MY2022? I can't seem to find any info for i3 in OP's original post. If I'm not mistaken SOP should be in November

No more i3 revisions. What you see is what you get, until the end of time (which is I believe how long BMW will keep making the i3).

[note46]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

No more i3 revisions. What you see is what you get, until the end of time (which is I believe how long BMW will keep making the i3).

No battery capacity updates either?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by note46

No battery capacity updates either?

No hints of that whatsoever.

[EvoFire]

The G20 LCI is slated for production in 07/22, does that mean it'll arrive as a 2023 model in late 2022?

I assume the G80 LCI will come together with it the G20 LCI, carrying any new minor stylistic changes?

[soheil]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

No hints of that whatsoever.

You say this with such a confidence, it breaks my heart 😞😂

[bayarea328xit]

Originally Posted by soheil

Is there going to be any LCI or update to i3 for MY2022? I can't seem to find any info for i3 in OP's original post. If I'm not mistaken SOP should be in November

Originally Posted by note46

No battery capacity updates either?

Originally Posted by soheil

You say this with such a confidence, it breaks my heart 😞😂

See note from Scott26 on 11-14-2020, 06:28 PM:

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

On my second i3 now an i3S. The rumours of its demise have been exaggerated. Another update is expected.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

See note from Scott26 on 11-14-2020, 06:28 PM:

Could get a new facia to co-exist amongst i4 and iX. It's being discussed.

[soheil]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Could get a new facia to co-exist amongst i4 and iX. It's being discussed.

I know it's just a render but this picture is awful!!!

i3 design has always been controversial but I actually really like it. I was hoping to get a new battery upgrade but I guess a bit of facelift wouldn't be that bad. I just hope that it's not like the exotic taxi color we got this year is it planned for MY2022?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Could get a new facia to co-exist amongst i4 and iX. It's being discussed.

While I'm not an i3 fan, I like that front fascia better than what we currently have.

[n55f15]

Any idea what's under the covers? Posted on Markus Flasch's Instagram

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by n55f15

Any idea what's under the covers? Posted on Markus Flasch's Instagram
Attachment 2537448

I guess that we've seen that kind of lip before:


My guess: a G82 M4 CSL early stage test mule (start of production: July 2022 - very short production run):

[Bemari]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Expected SOP dates:

March 2021:

G22 M440i (not in US)

It seems that the RWD M440i is still not happening even in EU, the SOP mentioned above didn't realize this March. This is the official G22 line-up as of March 2021: https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...26318EN/472221

Maybe the RWD version of M440i has a SOP July 2021 (MY 2022)?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Juvi

It seems that the RWD M440i is still not happening even in EU, the SOP mentioned above didn't realize this March. This is the official G22 line-up as of March 2021: https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...26318EN/472221

Maybe the RWD version of M440i has a SOP July 2021 (MY 2022)?

Good catch.

My info states the engineering planning was for March SOP as late as December. Market conditions I guess?