[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by PoorLurker

Tonka's Riding Tours / Bed n Breakfast / One Stop Shop

Pick people up from the airport, house them, and provide them with guided tours of beautiful scenery.

Stay in shape and earn enough money to continue on with the operation and pay for daily expenses




I was just talking to my mom about kids these days and toys. My mom said that I never wanted toys my whole life. She then went on to say that I only wanted a bicycle and a ball. Things haven't changed!

That sounds pretty nice. Except for likely not having disposable income to travel with. I guess that's the hick-up and if we did do enough business to create that extra income, it would be more like a job again.

Originally Posted by jtodd_fl

Also, run a shark game for betting on slot car racing. Hustle them and retire early. If you lose, hide their bodies.

We race for pinks, bro.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by Lups

Lol, it's up to us all how we want to look at life.

A good example of my insanity is knitting. It is a mandatory skill here in finland. You don't leave third grade without it... Except I did. Never learned. I fucking sucked at everything from cooking to knitting and let's not talk about sewing. I can honestly say that when after army I moved out from my parents house, I feared of dying of hunger ever more than I did while eating the horrible things my mother gave as sustenance.

Long story short, I cook, I knit what ever I can't buy (jesus people have zero taste. I have to do my own summer dresses!!) and I've fixed a car or two with bubble gum and duct tape. I've learned in this life that the worst lessons ever were geography to pass, since getting lost is very hard if you know your main rivers and cities in a few continents.

Learn what you need, love what you want. A very wise dog taught me to appreciate life's most important thing: Naps.

Nobody ever is passionate about naps but everyone envies the person who can have one.

Geez Santa, you knit and didn't send me any knitted biking gear?!?!

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

Geez Santa, you knit and didn't send me any knitted biking gear?!?!

It's my sick grandma obsession. Every year I go nuts and I can't stop myself.

Please don't tell anyone. My image would be ruined.

[1MOREMOD]

What if your passion is drinking beer and being lazy ass?

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

What if your passion is drinking beer and being lazy ass?

Then you're one passionate m-fer..

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by Axius

OT is a figment of our imaginations, we are all non-existent in a fictional world like the Matrix.


And I am Keeanu Reeves.

Your passion is your imagination.. don't have to thank me for that.

Originally Posted by PoorLurker

If I could travel around the world, sit at a coffee/drink shop, people watch, and wander around aimlessly - that would be pretty cool. New excites me while consistency comforts me.

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Interesting.. the most exciting computer games I used to play as a child were the RPGs (hero's quest) rather than the super addictive ones like Civ
The element of 'new' or adventure has to be there.. consistency, or order.. is that the addictive element?
Need both like sweet and sour

Originally Posted by Aatish

Well, if your lucky and your career is also you passion, yes you have to be somewhat above the median.

But, if your just doing it for fun, you don't have to be the best to just play. But, if you like doing something, and you do it often, you will improve. If you don't improve, and your not doing something often, can you really call it your passion?

If you passionate about something, you should have a uncontrollable drive to partake in said thing.

As far as challenge vs passion goes, that's more a personal thing. I see challenges as benchmarks that must be met/beat. These challenges can be related to my passions, or stuff that isn't.

If I fail at meeting a challenge, I'll most likely be bummed out. That said, I've learned a lot from my failures, so it's not all bad.

How important is 'challenge' to a passion?
I was reading this last night that said you have to get success from your effort otherwise you'd stop putting in the effort.

http://oliveremberton.com/2014/how-t...-your-passion/



but if it's too easy.. or you get success easily, thus challenge is low, according to this model you would still keep on doing it because the return in great.
Which leads to...

[Nkc]

Grimmy, you mind telling me what you do? I'm very curious.

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

I've always said that we may retire somewhere in the mountains with a small bike shop. Maybe in a hand full of years we'll liquidate everything and live a more simple life out west, in the mountains or in the islands.

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But there are lots of people who had a passion for something. Figured out how to make money out of it and doing that killed their passion.

Then there are people who are passionate about many things, most of which won't produce enough income to enjoy all of them.

I'm not passionate about what i do. But i'm relatively good at it. I don't look forward to it and i'd almost always rather be doing something else. But being fairly good at it provides me with enough income to experience everything that i am passionate about fairly regularly.

I can't think of much worse than building a career out of something you love, only to have making a career out of it cause you to to loath it.

Several years ago I spent many, many hours thinking of different things i'd rather do for a living. I finally realized that if i had used that time to contemplate how i could increase net profit by even a .5% or how i could increase autonomy within my company that i'd have that much more time and money to do the things that i enjoy.

just my $.02

Mr. Tonka does it again.
OMFG this is so true
When you enjoy something but have to do it as a matter of life or death, it ceases to be fun.
Why is this?
So is the only rational solution to do what you are good at (that which earns $ with less effort) so that you can fuck around elsewhere?
In other words, your work can NEVER be fun.. unless you live off income and legitimatly don't have to do anything?

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by imserious

I hear this kind of thing all the time. "If you do what you're passionate about you'll never work a day in your life." It's the kind of thing you'll hear at a TED talk or something millenials will pursue instead of a real job.

It's important to have passion and a reason for living, absolutely. Sometimes passion and work intersect, but that's hardly the norm. I think it's naive to assume that most people can achieve this nirvana.

Work is called "work" for a reason. Let's stop daydreaming about being a professional video gamer or "buyer" or whatever. Let's get back to work, make some money and pursue our passions, whatever they may be.

Which reminds me... I need to get back to work.

Originally Posted by BMW F22

This. The whole "find your passion and do what you love and you will succeed" advice is BS. Once something you love becomes work most of the times it fails.

I would say that do something that you're good at (something thay leverages your skills:talents). It might not be something you're passionate about but will be a much better fit.

So is the solution to do what you are (relatively) good at, that which earns the most $ for the effort put in?
Thus 'work' is minimized, and fucking around, the ultimate luxury, is maximized.
Then you would be in the same position as someone who doesn't have to work, IOW you can do whatever you want in your free time.. the question still arises - what do you do?
Perhaps it gets very basic, like Maslow in his hierachy of needs -eating, shitting, sleeping, sexing etc.
Then there are the higher or self-actualization needs - challenging yourself, spirituality etc.
I believe what millenials are referring to when they want to find their "passion" is being challenged or their work hanging 'meaning' (whatever that means, I still haven't figured out)..

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by Nkc

Grimmy, you mind telling me what you do? I'm very curious.

I am self employed in the finance realm, I have alot of free time. Yeah so basically I don't work and trade stocks occasionally.

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by Lups

Haha.

I honestly tried sports for years. When I discovered that it runs in my family and that my great aunt was like me, needing a little sleep but still needing the body to rest, I decided to read more.

Download kindle to your phone and pay the 10$ per month and you have classics at your disposal. You'll soon realize reading goes in sprees.

At summertime I read heavy classics. The more light thing needs extra work. At winter I read hot and heavy porn, since those books are so badly written that they make me laugh. At spring time I'm apparently reading weirdly accurate descriptions of the lives of women from different times.

Pick a book. Don't even bother to read the description. Hell, I read a book about a stepbrother fucking his stepsister to a coma because she was sooo damn hot. I swear to coffee it was a comedy. It had to be.

The Kafka mentioned confuses me since I get his point. Sadly I can hear my old Finnish teachers voice in my head preaching about never reading a book if you are not fluent in the language. I am fluent with a few, including that fucker German but just tell me: If he piles up the whole prolonging thing and never delivers, how am I to feel like I've finished the fucking book?

If you need recommendations you now know who to ask.

Not that type of passion.
Seriously, perhaps "passion" is too vague, because how does this apply to mothers or other non-vocational roles?
Perhaps it is not a separate question from Maslow's needs.
It must be fulfilling, and challenging.. etc.

[Nkc]

Originally Posted by grimlock

I am self employed in the finance realm, I have alot of free time. Yeah so basically I don't work and trade stocks occasionally.

So you fry stocks. You sound like a great candidate for a middle school teacher if you know what I mean.

[grimlock]

“Man is a perpetually wanting animal.” A person’s basic physiological needs (hunger, sleep, sex) dominate his consciousness until they’re met, according to Maslow's hierarchy, after which they’re replaced by a succession of needs that come to dominate, in order, with similar urgency: first safety, then love, then esteem, and finally what Maslow called self-actualization. “Discontent and restlessness will soon develop unless the individual is doing what he is fitted for,” he wrote. “A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be ultimately happy. What a man can be, he must be.” He called it “the desire to become more and more what one is, to become everything that one is capable of becoming.”

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...he-best-advice

Are we just empty vessels that need to be filled (needs) otherwise we suffer?
If you are not challenged, you suffer, if it is TOO challenging and you cannot obtain success, you suffer. So it cannot be too easy or you will always be looking for something that will challenge you, and it cannot be too hard or you will be discouraged and give up.
If we are adequately challenged, is there anything else beyond this, that we are making full use of our potential?

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by Nkc

So you fry stocks. You sound like a great candidate for a middle school teacher if you know what I mean.

No idea what you mean. But it must be derogatory.
Of, you mean those who preach... hehe
I don't disagree with you! Which is why I am asking for advice..
But once again I don't give myself enough credit.. hahha

[Lups]

QUOTE=grimlock;19668682]Not that type of passion.
Seriously, perhaps "passion" is too vague, because how does this apply to mothers or other non-vocational roles?
Perhaps it is not a separate question from Maslow's needs.
It must be fulfilling, and challenging.. etc.[/QUOTE]

Lol, a friend of mine translates books as a part time job. She always provides me with the worst reads.

I had to learn how to cook because I'm a horrible snob when it comes to food. If you only knew how serious I am about vegetables, you would allow using the word passion with this one. It's that or obsession.

[grimlock]

So besides "don't leave potential unfulfilled".. is there anything else?
(if this is in fact the definition of 'self-actualization')

an interesting sidepoint: is then all thoughts of God, order, spirituality superfluous to an adequately challenged individual?
Or is is a mental "brake" of sorts?
eg. Hitler was adequately challenged, but doing the wrong thing, had he a conscience or qualms about what he was doing, his end would not have been so bad.
On the other hand, a person who has too much qualms about what they are doing, perhaps unfairly stiffles himself as he is better than he gives himself credit for, and he will benefit the world massively if he unleashes himself unto the world rather than worry about his morality which exceeds 99.99% of people anyway.

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by Lups

Lol, a friend of mine translates books as a part time job. She always provides me with the worst reads.

I had to learn how to cook because I'm a horrible snob when it comes to food. If you only knew how serious I am about vegetables, you would allow using the word passion with this one. It's that or obsession.

I see with my sis-inlaw, she manages her kids like an army.. and seems to get a reward for doing it.

btw have you read the "bear" porn.. like literally a giant furry grizzly/brown bear .. what is this??! is it suppose to arouse? ..huh any insights into this?

[Lups]

Originally Posted by grimlock

I see with my sis-inlaw, she manages her kids like an army.. and seems to get a reward for doing it.

btw have you read the "bear" porn.. like literally a giant furry grizzly/brown bear .. what is this??! is it suppose to arouse? ..huh any insights into this?

Lol!

The ones I read I get from my friends (one is studying the change of female sexuality in the last thirty years) and one translates them. We all think they are comedies, none of us seem to find them arousing at all. I've red like six of them, it takes a long time to go through one (a classic one can read in hours, those takes weeks) since it's hard to shake off the wtf feeling. I honestly recommend reading the 50 shades. Those books are like the best comedy show you've ever heard off!

When it comes to kids I'm strict but raising them is not a passion for me. The stuff around it I do seem to take a bit more seriously than most people but that's just me.

[Aatish]

Grimy, you seem to have changed from the Tinder IRL thread....

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Lups

I've been to more states than most Americans and I've seen and been through more than most people would attempt to go through. I hate to say this but trump will be the best thing ever to your country (like Esko Aho to ours, he crashed our economy with one statement, and it took us abt 7 years to recover but by then we had found our strengths again, no thanks to him).

The amount of taxes you pay for what you get considering just how light your system is, is hilarious. Vegetables I wanted for dinner costs 3 times more per lbs than nuggets, if I wanted to to do it on my own. McDonalds would be cheaper.

Dude america is and has been doing it the GB way. Slowly and painfully. A crash should help, but only if a sunnier side can be found at the end.


Idiot. A friend invite should be sent but I probably will fuck it up.

This.

Lups

[M3 Number 86]

My passion costs too damn much. I need to reverse that and make it into a money maker soon.

[M3 Number 86]

My passion costs too damn much. I need to reverse that and make it into a money maker soon.