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One comment regarding your last sentence above... Loxone is already far outselling C4, and Savant across Europe. I am betting my career we will continue this track record of success in North America as well. Wish me the best!
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After doing some research it looks like Loxone is like mi casa verde type automation “for the massses” Nothing against Loxone but it’s not even on the same planet as Control4 Even if their sales are higher than c4 and savant it’s like saying McDonalds outsells Mastro’s in the US. It’s a totally different product, experience and expectation Last edited by gtr2M3; 06-16-2019 at 07:06 PM.. |
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All systems have positive and negative attributes. I'm curious why you find C4 so superior. Would you elaborate?
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2. GUI. C4 and others are WAY ahead here. The Loxone app is awful. Why grayscale? Odd icons, excessive text. 3. Audio distribution. Huge advantage in source selection and browsing. 4. Video distribution. Is that even available in Loxone or is that 3rd party? 5. Dealer support as of now. 6. Native third party integration. |
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May I ask why you picked/prefer C4 over Savant?
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Anyone use HomeKit? Considering all the iPhones and Apple TVs I figure I can't be the only one that has experimented with Apple's smart home solution.
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As to Homekit, the only thing that has interested me is the Brilliant devices. I like the look of the switch. Might be fun to mess around with. |
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Zigbee Pro for meshing and continued adding of system components Their touchscreens are sweet Built in music services are over a dozen... not 2 Excellent audio video control App is sweet. OS3 is a killer interface Strong 3rd party component integration, HDMI matrixes, tv’s, avrs, blinds, irrigation, cameras etc Wireless motion sensors that are the size of a thumb which can be placed in the perfect location for sensing motion As an example, my programmer installed a wireless motion sensor at my front door. Now if someone approaches, I get an alert, my tv switches to the entrance cam view and a snapshot gets emailed to me, excellent for letting me know when the Amazon package has arrived or if I want to answer the knock on the door from a salesman Again I’m not knocking Loxone, I’m sure it’s great for what it is and what it costs.... it’s got its place but let’s be real, it’s not on the same level as Control4 or Crestron. Without really good a/v control, it can’t be. |
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It does, but comes with no speaker or dedicated audio output. It's the damnedest thing. Turn that thing on, connect to wifi, start the pandora or spotify app (pre-installed), begin usage.....then let her open her mouth. Suddenly the room is filled with rich, vibrant sound!
It also acts like it's listening after she is done with it. |
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I should have foreseen people running competing systems in their home would trash everything else as being sub-par.
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So a generation ahead of what? Certainly not user interface and a/v distribution. Lets be honest, Loxone may have a unique approach to lighting and hvac but is severely lacking in many other areas, areas I have repeatedly mentioned but you have not addressed at all. Again, why I see a Loxone user looking to install C4 along side it. |
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Yes, I wouldn't use Loxone to run a centralized/distributed video system. Just like I wouldn't drive an M3 on a trail in the forest. If we're going to use a centralized video system as the standard then running a Crestron DM system is my pick, but I do like using RTi control with Just Add Power distribution components. As a veteran in this industry, when I personally think "Smart Home" Loxone is most capable system. What you're describing are traditional control systems where Loxone isn't nearly as capable at those tasks. Like I've said earlier... The best tool for the job depends on what you're trying to accomplish. Question for everyone: how do you define a "smart home?"
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You are hinting at a smart home being "smarter" in that in knows certain items such as where you are and what lighting and hvac setting should be based on certain conditions. Indeed, it is an interesting concept. But are users willing to give up superior control of the other systems? Would Loxone be better integrated with additional automation system that does other things better? I just dont see Loxone's being compelling enough in its offering to replace current more developed "control systems". |
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Curious- Did you integrate your security components (alarm system arm and disarm functions, surveillance cameras) into your C4 system?
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