[msk340i]

Critics are divided on Ferrari. Some believe they're shit, some believe they're full of shit. Those who believe they're full of shit are looking at VET's race simulation with heavy load on C2 where he's averaging 1:24.2.
Last year's average lap time in the opening stages (full tank) were more than 1:26.
There's A LOT of variables but this is what's being said.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by msk340i

Critics are divided on Ferrari. Some believe they're shit, some believe they're full of shit. Those who believe they're full of shit are looking at VET's race simulation with heavy load on C2 where he's averaging 1:24.2.
Last year's average lap time in the opening stages (full tank) where more than 1:26.
There's A LOT of variables but this is what's being said.

Mate . I love SEB !

[mk1-fan]

Seems Toto was right after all.....


https://www.crash.net/f1/news/936788...on-breaks-down

[Ngilbe36]

The fastest laps of winter testing per driver
Driver Team Test Day Tyre Lap Time
Valtteri Bottas Mercedes Day Three C5 (Softest) 1:15.732
Daniel Ricciardo Renault Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.276
Charles Leclerc Ferrari Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.360
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.410
Sergio Perez Racing Point Day Six C3 (Softs) 1:16.658
Carlos Sainz McLaren Day Six C4 (2nd softest) 1:16.820
Sebastian Vettel Ferrari Day Five C5 (Softest) 1:16.841
George Russell Williams Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.871
Daniil Kvyat AlphaTauri Day Six C4 (2nd softest) 1:16.914
Robert Kubica Alfa Romeo Day Four C5 (Softest) 1:16.942
Romain Grosjean Haas Day Six C4 (2nd softest) 1:17.037
Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri Day Five C5 (Softest) 1:17.066
Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Day Two C5 (Softest) 1:17.091
Esteban Ocon Renault Day Three C4 (2nd softest) 1:17.102
Lance Stroll Racing Point Day Five C3 (Softs) 1:17.118
Nicholas Latifi Williams Day Five C5 (Softest) 1:17.313
Max Verstappen Red Bull Day Four C3 (Softs) 1:17.347
Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Day Three C5 (Softest) 1:17.469
Alex Albon Red Bull Day Four C2 (2nd hardest) 1:17.550
Lando Norris McLaren Day Five C3 (Softs) 1:17.573
Kevin Magnussen Haas Day Five C3 (Softs) 1:18.225

[mk1-fan]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

The fastest laps of winter testing per driver
Driver Team Test Day Tyre Lap Time
Valtteri Bottas Mercedes Day Three C5 (Softest) 1:15.732
Daniel Ricciardo Renault Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.276
Charles Leclerc Ferrari Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.360
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.410
Sergio Perez Racing Point Day Six C3 (Softs) 1:16.658
Carlos Sainz McLaren Day Six C4 (2nd softest) 1:16.820
Sebastian Vettel Ferrari Day Five C5 (Softest) 1:16.841
George Russell Williams Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.871
Daniil Kvyat AlphaTauri Day Six C4 (2nd softest) 1:16.914
Robert Kubica Alfa Romeo Day Four C5 (Softest) 1:16.942
Romain Grosjean Haas Day Six C4 (2nd softest) 1:17.037
Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri Day Five C5 (Softest) 1:17.066
Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Day Two C5 (Softest) 1:17.091
Esteban Ocon Renault Day Three C4 (2nd softest) 1:17.102
Lance Stroll Racing Point Day Five C3 (Softs) 1:17.118
Nicholas Latifi Williams Day Five C5 (Softest) 1:17.313
Max Verstappen Red Bull Day Four C3 (Softs) 1:17.347
Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Day Three C5 (Softest) 1:17.469
Alex Albon Red Bull Day Four C2 (2nd hardest) 1:17.550
Lando Norris McLaren Day Five C3 (Softs) 1:17.573
Kevin Magnussen Haas Day Five C3 (Softs) 1:18.225

You can't really compare all the different days testing, as the weather was very different.

What I do know, is that no top team went all out. We will only see in Australia what the pecking order is.

[yco]

as far as i understand from 6 days of testing..

Mercedes: W11 is clearly a better chassis and package.. seems like suspensions front and back in another level at the moment.. rear of the car is more stable than last year but on knife edge that not pushing the front for understeer.. since frontal part is different also cant understand how much better its clear that they re in harmony.. squeezing more the engine for giving more room for cooling seems putting some stress on some components and thus they had some engine problems.. puff of smoke after back straight was quite common in 6 days and it was pure white, its oil.. probably they ll solve it until Melbourne though.. Bottas looks pretty motivated and Hamilton looks pretty calm and confident.. i hope this will lead to great battles between them without too much friction between them..

Ferrari: cant really understand why things are not smooth in the team this year really.. been more than a year since structure of team change and the tech underneath to create a better car should be easier since regulations are almost the same this year.. its my opinion but i guess the secondary fuel flow meter had change their straight line advantage radically.. since Vettel is saying car feels draggy as well.. with less power you do feel such things easier.. Leclerc looks much more focused than Vettel and Lec was lapping like machine in long runs.. i will be really surprised if Ferrari will be strong in Melbourne.. general energy is pretty low in the garage still.. i hope Leclerc wont regret by tying himself to Ferrari long term.. things can go better in short time but still feels like, Binotto, Vettel, Leclerc and the car have different mindsets.. doesnt look like part of a whole.. car looks sloppy and its clear that it understeers when its pushed to its limit.. even if somehow Vettel spun on exit of a corner.. it was looking more like an early throttle action than the car can handle..

Red Bull: its obvious that Red Bull worked hard for this even though car looks complex and clever, its pretty edgy on the limit and doesnt look like easy car to drive at least so far.. Max had many spins some of them were because of cold tires but the spin Albon had today was a bit awkward.. its hard to race with an edgy car and it wont let you push as much as you can since the car doesnt forgive mistakes that much.. if im not mistaken RB had such a spin last year in Hungaroring last corner in practice as well like Albon did today.. but the engine looks bulletproof and sounds the best also..

Racing Point: probably the most optimistic times they ll have before the season.. even Stroll was able to push the car squeeze good lap times.. im not a fan of Perez but people underestimate him quite much.. definitely much better than Grosjean for example.. he is pretty consistent and more importantly he can squeeze the maximum out of whatever gear he has.. its not a thing that every driver can do..
for tracing last years W10.. seems they did it quite nicely with probably some smart tweaks.. in overall car looks pointy and allows some mistakes which really important during the race.. i wont be surprise if they ll be on the podium at least once this year as long as they hustle for more out of the car during the season..

Renault: team as a whole looks much much more focused than last year.. if i remember right they started to work on 2020 much before the season ended.. seems they did thing right during time period.. Ricciardo was happy most of the time and car was looking balanced in the rain even with Ocon's stupid throttle moves to showoff.. looks like a predictable car on the edge which is great it means there is more to squeeze out.. Ricciardo's one eye is already looking for going some other team probably Ferrari but he might be surprised if team performs much better this year and considering him to stay in Renault.. on way or another Renault days wasnt that long ago..

Williams: energy is quite high in the team + young drivers.. actually some parts of the car looks obsolete somehow and it was clear on the track by weird movements on the limit.. they have a smart power unit with some tenacity they can get rid of the last spots this year.. im not sure it ll be this year but its obvious that they re in the up trend..

Haas: cant understand why they re still going with Grosjean.. things dont look that bright in the team but looks like they have an aero efficient car this can make them joker team in some tracks..

Alfa Romeo: it looks like they have a nice package to push.. Kimi was looking happy to drive the car but considering they already pack the car before 1 hour the test ends was looking a bit silly.. im not sure Giovinazzi is a right driver for the team except the fact that he s Italian.. he must do some magical stuff this year already.. and at least so far it looks like he has a ground to it so..

AlphaTauri: Red Bull placed the AT as a nice experimental team for them.. its really good for RB.. car doesnt look that balanced but both Kvyat and Gasly should on the spotlight this year.. Hulkenberg wont be on the grid even if he deserves to be.. best part of AT seems like their clothing style so far..

seems like we ll see some nice overtakes and some heat this year..

[dtla1]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

The fastest laps of winter testing per driver
Driver Team Test Day Tyre Lap Time
Valtteri Bottas Mercedes Day Three C5 (Softest) 1:15.732
Daniel Ricciardo Renault Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.276
Charles Leclerc Ferrari Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.360
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.410
Sergio Perez Racing Point Day Six C3 (Softs) 1:16.658
Carlos Sainz McLaren Day Six C4 (2nd softest) 1:16.820
Sebastian Vettel Ferrari Day Five C5 (Softest) 1:16.841
George Russell Williams Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.871
Daniil Kvyat AlphaTauri Day Six C4 (2nd softest) 1:16.914
Robert Kubica Alfa Romeo Day Four C5 (Softest) 1:16.942
Romain Grosjean Haas Day Six C4 (2nd softest) 1:17.037
Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri Day Five C5 (Softest) 1:17.066
Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Day Two C5 (Softest) 1:17.091
Esteban Ocon Renault Day Three C4 (2nd softest) 1:17.102
Lance Stroll Racing Point Day Five C3 (Softs) 1:17.118
Nicholas Latifi Williams Day Five C5 (Softest) 1:17.313
Max Verstappen Red Bull Day Four C3 (Softs) 1:17.347
Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Day Three C5 (Softest) 1:17.469
Alex Albon Red Bull Day Four C2 (2nd hardest) 1:17.550
Lando Norris McLaren Day Five C3 (Softs) 1:17.573
Kevin Magnussen Haas Day Five C3 (Softs) 1:18.225

Max set a 1:16.269 on the C4(I think) today. you might have just missed it?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by dtla1

Max set a 1:16.269 on the C4(I think) today. you might have just missed it?

Spot on mate !

[yco]

this is interesting..
most of the time i was reading here FIA was favoring Merc' but i was insisting that FIA likes Ferrari more in this game.. like Ron Dennis said back in time.. FIA, Ferrari International Assistance.. is it still valid.. maybe..

[dtla1]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

The fastest laps of winter testing per driver
Driver Team Test Day Tyre Lap Time
Valtteri Bottas Mercedes Day Three C5 (Softest) 1:15.732
Daniel Ricciardo Renault Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.276
Charles Leclerc Ferrari Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.360
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.410
Sergio Perez Racing Point Day Six C3 (Softs) 1:16.658
Carlos Sainz McLaren Day Six C4 (2nd softest) 1:16.820
Sebastian Vettel Ferrari Day Five C5 (Softest) 1:16.841
George Russell Williams Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.871
Daniil Kvyat AlphaTauri Day Six C4 (2nd softest) 1:16.914
Robert Kubica Alfa Romeo Day Four C5 (Softest) 1:16.942
Romain Grosjean Haas Day Six C4 (2nd softest) 1:17.037
Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri Day Five C5 (Softest) 1:17.066
Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Day Two C5 (Softest) 1:17.091
Esteban Ocon Renault Day Three C4 (2nd softest) 1:17.102
Lance Stroll Racing Point Day Five C3 (Softs) 1:17.118
Nicholas Latifi Williams Day Five C5 (Softest) 1:17.313
Max Verstappen Red Bull Day Four C3 (Softs) 1:17.347
Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Day Three C5 (Softest) 1:17.469
Alex Albon Red Bull Day Four C2 (2nd hardest) 1:17.550
Lando Norris McLaren Day Five C3 (Softs) 1:17.573
Kevin Magnussen Haas Day Five C3 (Softs) 1:18.225

Now if someone did this with individual sector times, that would be impressive.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

The fastest laps of winter testing per driver
Driver Team Test Day Tyre Lap Time
Valtteri Bottas Mercedes Day Three C5 (Softest) 1:15.732
Daniel Ricciardo Renault Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.276
Charles Leclerc Ferrari Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.360
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.410
Sergio Perez Racing Point Day Six C3 (Softs) 1:16.658
Carlos Sainz McLaren Day Six C4 (2nd softest) 1:16.820
Sebastian Vettel Ferrari Day Five C5 (Softest) 1:16.841
George Russell Williams Day Six C5 (Softest) 1:16.871
Daniil Kvyat AlphaTauri Day Six C4 (2nd softest) 1:16.914
Robert Kubica Alfa Romeo Day Four C5 (Softest) 1:16.942
Romain Grosjean Haas Day Six C4 (2nd softest) 1:17.037
Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri Day Five C5 (Softest) 1:17.066
Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Day Two C5 (Softest) 1:17.091
Esteban Ocon Renault Day Three C4 (2nd softest) 1:17.102
Lance Stroll Racing Point Day Five C3 (Softs) 1:17.118
Nicholas Latifi Williams Day Five C5 (Softest) 1:17.313
Max Verstappen Red Bull Day Four C3 (Softs) 1:17.347
Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Day Three C5 (Softest) 1:17.469
Alex Albon Red Bull Day Four C2 (2nd hardest) 1:17.550
Lando Norris McLaren Day Five C3 (Softs) 1:17.573
Kevin Magnussen Haas Day Five C3 (Softs) 1:18.225

Originally Posted by mk1-fan

You can't really compare all the different days testing, as the weather was very different.

What I do know, is that no top team went all out. We will only see in Australia what the pecking order is.

Or just look at the fact the Renault is second quick. Tells you how horrible those times represent what will happen in Australia.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by yco

this is interesting..
most of the time i was reading here FIA was favoring Merc' but i was insisting that FIA likes Ferrari more in this game.. like Ron Dennis said back in time.. FIA, Ferrari International Assistance.. is it still valid.. maybe..

6 championships in a line,I thought it was MIA now,Merc International Assistance.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Spot on mate !

Shouldn't Max then be 2nd on the chart.

[yco]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

6 championships in a line,I thought it was MIA now,Merc International Assistance.

you didnt watch the vid i guess..

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by yco

you didnt watch the vid i guess..

I read it elsewhere.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Shouldn't Max then be 2nd on the chart.

Indeed my friend

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by yco

this is interesting..
most of the time i was reading here FIA was favoring Merc' but i was insisting that FIA likes Ferrari more in this game.. like Ron Dennis said back in time.. FIA, Ferrari International Assistance.. is it still valid.. maybe..

Mate ."Jean Todt's" underwear is still red !

[msk340i]

Toto said that according to their telemetry they think Ferrari can lap a whole second faster. Tbh I trust Toto because I trust their data now than the Italians' messed up team!

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by yco

this is interesting..
most of the time i was reading here FIA was favoring Merc' but i was insisting that FIA likes Ferrari more in this game.. like Ron Dennis said back in time.. FIA, Ferrari International Assistance.. is it still valid.. maybe..

I bet FIA concluded Ferrari was exceeding fuel burn regulations by defeating sensor. FIA can’t disclose that because the enviro-freak Euro media will go nuts. F1 is suppose to be moving towards carbon neutral. They can’t have one of the sports biggest teams being caught defeating those systems.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

I bet FIA concluded Ferrari was exceeding fuel burn regulations by defeating sensor. FIA can’t disclose that because the enviro-freak Euro media will go nuts. F1 is suppose to be moving towards carbon neutral. They can’t have one of the sports biggest teams being caught defeating those systems.

I agree.

They found a loophole in the system architecture an exploited it. I applaud Red Bull Racing and Mercedes for performing a combined investigation to uncover all of the methods in which this could be successfully executed.

The FIA has, once again, proven itself to be corrupt and devoid of fair play. If non-compliant, Fezza should be DQ'd from those races just as Renault was when they exceed fuel flow regulations by accident. Additionally, since the Fezza work-around was deliberate, they should have had all of their manufacturer championship points deleted just as Macca did back in 2007.

[apexit4]

I encourage you guys to read over the following article written by Dieter Rencken: https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/02/...is-power-unit/

He goes into some detail about why the decision was made and provides some interesting insights into the decision process. Worth a read to have all the facts before making a decision.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I agree.

They found a loophole in the system architecture an exploited it. I applaud Red Bull Racing and Mercedes for performing a combined investigation to uncover all of the methods in which this could be successfully executed.

The FIA has, once again, proven itself to be corrupt and devoid of fair play. If non-compliant, Fezza should be DQ'd from those races just as Renault was when they exceed fuel flow regulations by accident. Additionally, since the Fezza work-around was deliberate, they should have had all of their manufacturer championship points deleted just as Macca did back in 2007.

My friend it's not the first time that I say Jean Todt's underwear is still red