[tyler9595]

Perosonally, I would take a new m3 over a used car in your list. If I paid $80k for a used car I would always be wondering if someone took a dump in the trunk or drove it over curbs, or whatever. For a $20k used car, I dont care...

[FruitCake]

let me change it to professional poser/troll

[asdflkijd]

In order..
1. Maserati GT
2. R8
3. CLK63 AMG BS (I thought the black series were exclusive to Europe, no? Pretty sure this is out of the 80k price range too..)
4. M3
5. RS5
6. M6
7. E class...

[ghosthi32]

Originally Posted by FruitCake

let me change it to professional poser/troll

[smmmurf]

Originally Posted by Razzy

I did not liek the GTR for one reason only. The black box, granted every car has one but the GTR's was way too much. I guess I'm over that because as a car on a whole, for the price it shattered expectations when it came out.

Again, grats on the purchase.

Every one of the cars on that list has a black box... lol

+1 GT-R

[HBspeed]

So no one thinks a Gallardo is worthy of discussion I take it?

[DimSum]

997 Turbo or an Aston.

[Trauma Junkie]

Originally Posted by HBspeed

So no one thinks a Gallardo is worthy of discussion I take it?

It is, but it will soon cost more than $80k, most Gallardo's under $90K out there are used and abused.

[SantaPimp27]

Could also add a Bentley CGT to the discussion

[jibaholic101]

mas for sure

[Razzy]

Originally Posted by smmmurf

Every one of the cars on that list has a black box... lol

+1 GT-R

Learn to comprehend what I said. I won't even waste my time explaining what I wrote, as it is not worth my time.

[HBspeed]

Originally Posted by Trauma Junkie

It is, but it will soon cost more than $80k, most Gallardo's under $90K out there are used and abused.

I agree that is always a very real possibility with a used high end sports car, however I don't think it would be much different for a 997 turbo, 997 gt3, GTR, clk63 black, etc. Since a Gallardo is generally considered less of an "enthusiast car" than those others I just listed, I would venture to believe it may even be less likely abused comparatively. Maintenance wise I've head they are not too bad due to the German engineering making it similar to what an R8 would be out of warranty. Not to mention no DFI carbon build up issues like the R8.

[SantaPimp27]

Originally Posted by HBspeed

I agree that is always a very real possibility with a used high end sports car, however I don't think it would be much different for a 997 turbo, 997 gt3, GTR, clk63 black, etc. Since a Gallardo is generally considered less of an "enthusiast car" than those others I just listed, I would venture to believe it may even be less likely abused comparatively. Maintenance wise I've head they are not too bad due to the German engineering making it similar to what an R8 would be out of warranty. Not to mention no DFI carbon build up issues like the R8.

I don't think maintenance on the Gallardo is too bad for an exotic. Cheaper than a ferrari for the most part.

Its something like $2000 - $3000 a year in maintenance as long as nothing unexpected happens. Clutch is $4000 - $8000, Tires are $2000 and so on..

Gallardo's and 360's are pretty close to bottoming out for the next couple years so i think either would be a good buy. Won't take a big hit in depreciation so ownership will be cheaper.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by HBspeed

I agree that is always a very real possibility with a used high end sports car, however I don't think it would be much different for a 997 turbo, 997 gt3, GTR, clk63 black, etc. Since a Gallardo is generally considered less of an "enthusiast car" than those others I just listed, I would venture to believe it may even be less likely abused comparatively. Maintenance wise I've head they are not too bad due to the German engineering making it similar to what an R8 would be out of warranty. Not to mention no DFI carbon build up issues like the R8.

DING DING DING.

Unless it was in the hands of a spoiled teen or young boy racer. The owners of these cars drive them but doubtfully abuse/max rev launches etc. A Honda Civic would have just as big a warning on it as an adult owned Gallardo. They value their investment too much to go out and trash the thing.

[MiamiBimmer]

a couple other choices no one has mentioned....

used corvette zr1??? enzo-performance for cheap...

honestly, if i was in your position i would try to get my hands on a lotus evora.



i drove one the other day at the local lotus dealership. they had one in and were letting people test drive it before sales started. great craftsmanship, and it drove great handled like an elise with the acceleration of a 911.

Its exclusive, it has 4 seats, costs between $70K and $80K, AND has a tuned toyota engine, so reliability is a non-issue

otherwise i would say used gt3. i dont like astons, they are like expensive jaguars.

[DevJ]

Originally Posted by MiamiBimmer

a couple other choices no one has mentioned....

used corvette zr1??? .

Show me one around 80k

[SantaPimp27]

If i was buying the best performing car for ~$80K a used Rossion Q1 would be at the top of the list for me.

Power: 450 bhp
TQ: 390 lbs
Weight: 2675 lbs
0-60: 3.1
0-100: 7.7
1/4 mile: 11.3
Lateral Grip: 1.1g
Weight-to-Power: 6.3:1

It uses a Ford Duratec V-6 so cheap to maintain. Hell even if you blow the engine it wont be that expensive to fix. Its an exclusive car and a top performer. Handling is amazing and its very fast. Power to weight ratio is insane and it could easily be tweaked for more power. And i think since its considered a kit car insurance would be lower.


Plus it looks badass

[Guibo]

Originally Posted by ChineseGuy

I will briefly explain to you how R8 = fail

Honestly, Audi did a great job in ditching their traditional Front engine + AWD layout. Trust me, those are CRAP. So now it's Mid engine + AWD. As an Audi hater, I quite like it. HOWEVER, it's way overpriced, just like every Audi. For that money for the V8 you can get a GT3. For the V10, you can get any Ferrari. The V10 reminds me of the LFA. At the end of the day it's just hard to justify spending so much on an Audi.

What was the point of that picture?
Not everyone wants a GT3. If every car that wasn't a GT3 or Ferrari was overpriced, then they'd all be out of business. Scuderias and 599's are $150k, are they?

Here's why the R8 doesn't fail:
http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...r_audi_r8.html
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/carg...e_vantage.html

[FStop7]

White panel van, aka Kidnapper Express

[disruptv]

01 550 maranello 6spd

[ChineseGuy]

Originally Posted by Guibo

What was the point of that picture?
Not everyone wants a GT3. If every car that wasn't a GT3 or Ferrari was overpriced, then they'd all be out of business. Scuderias and 599's are $150k, are they?

Here's why the R8 doesn't fail:
http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...r_audi_r8.html
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/carg...e_vantage.html

Point of the picture was for some humor, not trying to say all R8 will end up like that, just 2 of its prototypes.

You don't have to show me those links, I'm not saying the R8 sucks performance wise. My post earlier talked about how I actually like Audi ditching the old layout and went with the R8. I just hate how they're priced closely with the GT3.

Surely, not everyone wants a GT3, but if you want performance R8 will not match a GT3. If you're planning to get a 400-500hp car, I would assume you're going for that performance factor; unless, you wanted a car just to showoff. In that case, an Audi will not win you any points.

I don't get why you want to bring up the 599 and the Schuderia. Both cars are excellent performers on the track. They deserve to be priced so high because they are Ferrari. For those money you're paying, you're left with no choice but to buy a Ferrari and not look stupid. For the money for a R8, there are other choices than an Audi.

[Guibo]

Originally Posted by ChineseGuy

I just hate how they're priced closely with the GT3.

Surely, not everyone wants a GT3, but if you want performance R8 will not match a GT3. If you're planning to get a 400-500hp car, I would assume you're going for that performance factor; unless, you wanted a car just to showoff. In that case, an Audi will not win you any points.

I don't get why you want to bring up the 599 and the Schuderia. Both cars are excellent performers on the track. For those money you're paying, you're left with no choice but to buy a Ferrari and not look stupid. For the money for a R8, there are other choices than an Audi.

Why do you hate free-market capitalism? I'm sure if the R8 were truly overpriced, nobody would buy them and Audi would adjust the price accordingly. Audi sold over 2000 R8's last year (including the very pricy V10), even in a crap economy.

Not everyone in the market of $110k cars is looking only for performance. If they were, they'd all be buying ZR1's. Of which only about 700 were sold last year. Peek inside the cabin of the R8; there's a marked difference in quality and bespoke build compared to the GT3. Some people appreciate that difference, which can be appreciated when the car's not even moving.

I bring up the Ferraris because you said:
"For that money for the V8 you can get a GT3. For the V10, you can get any Ferrari."
The implication here is that for the price you pay for the V10, you can get a Scuderia or 599. Based on what I've seen, that's not true. Not even close.
Price comparisons against Ferrari are next to useless anyway because it can easily be argued that Ferrari prices their cars below true market value. 2-year wait lists of V8 models, Enzos trading for nearly 2x's MSRP, and the 599 GTO selling out in only 1 week point to this. (And if you want to post pictures of spontaneously combusting supercars...)

There are other choices to the Audi, but Ferrari realistically isn't one of them. Even if they were, having all of these choices is a good thing. Not a bad thing. There's nothing stupid about making a personal decision based on what appeals to you. For some people, Ferrari does nothing for them. Even if you had $160k in cash, there's no guarantee you could walk into a Ferrari dealership and walk out with a Scuderia or 599. Very likely, you'd need at least $60k more than that, unless you put your name down months or years in advance; if you're not a previous customer, you're probably SOL.
IMO, Audi should be applauded for wading deep into Porsche territory on their first try and not only knocking BMW's M6 in the nads but offering up a truly worthy 997 competitor where others haven't.