[ganeil]

Originally Posted by dr325i

mybe for having a family in FL that lived there for the 1920's???
In last 5 years, there were 5+ major storms in the Gulf of Mex, and over FL. Did not happen before.

The whole country is under a heavy drought for last few years -- in TX we're not allowed to water lawns (except once or wtice/week) for last two years...was not the case before...

My dad owned the same piece of land last 40 years, and told me that never before he had to mow the grass before May -- last few years -- in March...

And so on...
THe evidence is overwhelming that there is a warming trend caused by...???

You never disappoint. When facts are not available to support your argument, anecdotes will always be available.

Maybe you are right, we should alter our lifestyle because you can't water your lawn. I am curious though, was the Great Dust Bowl of the 1930's caused by global warming as well?

[chbrules]

There is no doubt that we are polluting. All the chemicals and gasses we put into the air do have negative environmental effects on us, and possibly the earth as a whole. The issues is how much are we really affecting the earth as a whole. Just because you need to mow your lawn earlier or northern animals are migrating further north doesn't mean it's our fault, it simply means that we're experiencing a warming period in the earth's history.



Why is it that carbon-based molecules were more apparent in our atmosphere millions of years ago?





Why was there just as much Carbon-14 in the atmosphere now as there was a thousand years ago?

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by ganeil

You never disappoint. When facts are not available to support your argument, anecdotes will always be available.

Maybe you are right, we should alter our lifestyle because you can't water your lawn. I am curious though, was the Great Dust Bowl of the 1930's caused by global warming as well?

Actually, I always give you the REAL LIFE views and facts, you give me the Bush BS...

Prove it the other way and I will agree with you.
Giving me the "earth cycle" BS line that may or may not be correct is as selfish as every other "argument" you had...

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by chbrules

There is no doubt that we are polluting. All the chemicals and gasses we put into the air do have negative environmental effects on us, and possibly the earth as a whole. The issues is how much are we really affecting the earth as a whole. Just because you need to mow your lawn earlier or northern animals are migrating further north doesn't mean it's our fault, it simply means that we're experiencing a warming period in the earth's history.



Why is it that carbon-based molecules were more apparent in our atmosphere millions of years ago?




Here we can see the sunspot patterns in relations to temperature. How come in the beginning of the 17th and late 18th century we had such high average temperatures? Why did they follow the sunspot patterns as they are now?




Why was there just as much Carbon-14 in the atmosphere now as there was a thousand years ago?

Ah, all this is meaningless to Ganeil -- Bush said it is NOT Global Warming and that is it...

[just4kickz]

mods should move this to another section in the forum... this isnt directly related to bmws.

because the majority of active participants on this forum are from the US, your going to hear more about the 328vs335 issue because its the only models sold in the US for e9x... before stating the obvious please review the population your talking about... imo this is a stupid thread.

[ganeil]

Originally Posted by dr325i

Ah, all this is meaningless to Ganeil -- Bush said it is NOT Global Warming and that is it...

Do you even understand what the charts are showing?

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by ganeil

Do you even understand what the charts are showing?

I showed you the other graphs some time ago showing the opposite...therefore, as I said -- PROVE the other way and discussion is over.
We can show both ways, but no one should claim it as a final...

Again, if the cycle was occuring at a normal rate -- I'd be OK.
I am not sure why is it occuring so fast and very noticable from the 70's when the boom started...

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by just4kickz

mods should move this to another section in the forum... this isnt directly related to bmws.

because the majority of active participants on this forum are from the US, your going to hear more about the 328vs335 issue because its the only models sold in the US for e9x... before stating the obvious please review the population your talking about... imo this is a stupid thread.

YEP, should be moved down to other forum...

[Hiii]

Why didn´t the United States sign the Kyoto protokoll?


The U.S. are living in their own world, wasting all ressources, and they don´t care about the rest of the world ...


But we all have to pay the bill for this careless and egoistical behavior.


The image of the U.S. got worst in the whole world, growing up since damned Bush is the President and startet his stupid war against terrorism and Iraq.

No wonder many different kinds of people would like to emigrate to the US.

Not really ...


Sorry, but this is the truth.

[turbocoins]

Originally Posted by HighSpeed250

Why didn´t the United States sign the Kyoto protokoll?


The U.S. are living in their own world, wasting all ressources, and they don´t care about the rest of the world ...


But we all have to pay the bill for this careless and egoistical behavior.


The image of the U.S. got worst in the whole world, growing up since damned Bush is the President and startet his stupid war against terrorism and Iraq.



Not really ...


Sorry, but this is the truth.

I need to call BS on this.

Anyone who believes that an entire country is like thinking and all acts the same way is not a reasonable thinker. Yeah, the US all got together and decided to do exactly what you said. Perhaps you should restate your premise. As you can see from this thread alone, there are differences of opinion among Americans. Many of them are very concerned about resources, the rest of the world, etc. However, it is people like you who fail to recognize the diversity of thought in the US and elsewhere.

It's a real shame. You would rather criticize others than help them.

[Aija]

America is a rich depressing country~
-We got the highest debt
-We got the highest divorce rate
-We got the highest valued houses

and best of all, which applies to this forums, we got bimmers

enough of this america vs other countries and gore vs bush crap please.

P.S. i believe in global warming. In politics, i hate bush and his bs.

[chbrules]

Originally Posted by Aija

America is a rich depressing country~
-We got the highest debt
-We got the highest divorce rate
-We got the highest valued houses

and best of all, which applies to this forums, we got bimmers

enough of this america vs other countries and gore vs bush crap please.

P.S. i believe in global warming. In politics, i hate bush and his bs.

It's not a question of whether or not you believe in global warming, it's happening. The question is whether or not humans are actually substantially contributing to it enough to make a big difference.

[FirstClass]

Originally Posted by dr325i

Giving me the "earth cycle" BS line that may or may not be correct is as selfish as every other "argument" you had...

That "earth cycle" argument has just as much if not more plausibility and backing as the "global warming" fallacy.

Originally Posted by dr325i

I am not sure why is it occuring so fast and very noticable from the 70's when the boom started...

Speaking of the 70s, weren't they all saying we were entering a new ice age? Oh wait, I guess they were wrong.

Originally Posted by HighSpeed250

Why didn´t the United States sign the Kyoto protokoll?
The U.S. are living in their own world, wasting all ressources, and they don´t care about the rest of the world ...
But we all have to pay the bill for this careless and egoistical behavior.
Sorry, but this is the truth.

This shows how little people actually know about Kyoto. Kyoto is quite literally a joke of an accord. It it based on stupid numbers and has even more foolish methods of enforcement. Have you ever read it? It basically glosses over the fact that China/India is going to be and is starting to pump out a shitload of greenhouse gases with the economy the way it is atm. Don't even get me started on carbon credits and the like. I also have yet to hear anything that happens to a country that breaks it's pledge. I believe it amounts to gentle chiding.

[ENINTY]

Originally Posted by dr325i

Why do you have to involve f'n politics and politicians (Gore) in every day's life??? It is very simple, the globe and the weather trend is getting warmer and there is no dispute over it. The Eco systems are moving more north (in northern hemisphere), temp averages are way above previous, the weather is definitely more violent than it was in ththe 20th century.
You can believe whatever you want but it is time to drop the politics game and crap and invest more into this matter ASAP...because we may be too late...

The reason politics is brought into the subject is because the biggest and (to himself) the most influential promoter of the Humans Causing Global Warming warning is Al Gore. I've watched his movie, and I don't appreciate being spoken to like I was a 5-year old. Chicken Little.

Life on earth actually depends on the Greenhouse effect, so it is a natural occurrence. There are many influences that affect the temperature of the Earth: solar output, slight changes in the Earth's elliptical orbit around the sun, changes to the tilt of the Earth's axis, volcanic activity just to name a few. Looking at a hundred years of temp data can't show a trend for a planet that is over 4 billion years old. So if you believe driving a car around for a million miles or so over your life time is actually going to change the planet and end life as you know it, then maybe you should stop driving, eating, drinking water, having babies, and stop reading E90 post. Save the planet.

My suggestion is look at the Finger Lakes in New York State and find they were created by ice flows, or look at the Grand Canyon to find ocean-living fossils, go to the Bad Lands and learn that they were once the floor of ancient ocean, study the Sahara Desert and find that it once was a tropical forest. The Earth changes, live with it.

I refuse to let a politician dictate how I will live my life. I'll enjoy my time ripping the corners in my BMW and not feel guilty about it.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by ENINTY

I refuse to let a politician dictate how I will live my life. I'll enjoy my time ripping the corners in my BMW and not feel guilty about it.

WOW...and you live in...???
You have a "dictator" not only trying to dictate your life but the whole world's life...

As for the rest of your post -- either accept it or don't. If it takes Al Gore or someone else to help you realize (or opposite) the effects of today's living, then, Chicken Little is too mature for you...

[rsjames]

Originally Posted by HighSpeed250

Why didn´t the United States sign the Kyoto protokoll?

And why are the carbon emissions of many countries that did sign the Kyoto agreement RISING?

Kyoto means nothing, not only for the reasons another poster mentioned - China and India, which couldn't care less - but the fact that one of the ways of complying - carbon offsets - is a huge scam that is making a lot of people very rich and doing nothing to reduce carbon emissions.

Company A has two tons more carbon emissions than allowed, so it buys two tons worth of carbon offsets from company B, which was producing less than allowed. Net reduction in carbon emissions? 0. But, hey, it makes somebody feel good that they're doing something about the environment, and that's all that really matters, right?

I'm 100 percent in favor of reducing pollution from all sources. But we also need to consider all the effects of our methods of doing so. Some of the so-called solutions (one alternative fuel being widely touted, for example) are worse than what they replace in terms of their effect on the environment.

As far as global warming, well, it may or may not be happening and it may or may not be caused by humans. But the debate is far from over, despite the fact that some people want to keep the debate from happening.

Richard

[ENINTY]

Originally Posted by dr325i

WOW...and you live in...???
You have a "dictator" not only trying to dictate your life but the whole world's life...

As for the rest of your post -- either accept it or don't. If it takes Al Gore or someone else to help you realize (or opposite) the effects of today's living, then, Chicken Little is too mature for you...

I hope you realize that by the mere fact you are reading this post you are contributing to global warming (if you believe Al Gore). You do realize that it takes electricity to run the Internet, and it takes electricity to manufacture and use your computer, along with the lights and AC in your house/office where you are reading. Not to mention the fact that it takes electricity to feed yourself and your family. So why you feel you, or anybody (like Al Gore), can lecture the rest of us about how the way we live is causing global warming is complete BS.

The problem is AL Gore wants to keep the status quo when it comes to life on this planet. The news is, life will change on this planet, and the fossil record shows it pretty much changes due to climate changes, not the other way around. The things I discussed in my previous post are irrefutable scientific facts that are observed on the planet and in our solar system and others. You do realize that our sun will go Super Nova one day, 4 -6 billion years from now, and fry the Earth and the other near-sun planets to a crisp, so worrying about global warming, when it is a natural phenomenon and actually keeps us all from freezing to death anyway, seems to me to be a pretty useless waste of time.