[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Elijaih

Do you know if a manual transmission is an option for the M4 CS?

Doesn't appear to be the case

Originally Posted by mkoesel

But still no water injected S55 expected, yeah? Lots of speculation about that right now. It is difficult to see the real motivation for this car is it doesn't get at least some power upgrade.

It'll only get the ZCP power increase.

[derritterauskanada]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

No. The 2er Coupe,Cabrio and therefore M2 will remain RWD.

Any chance of a shootingbrake/hatch verson of the 2er coupe?

[Elijaih]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Yes she will be a beauty.

Scott, Can you confirm if there will be a MT option for the M4 CS? For me, the MT will make or break that purchase. I'm looking to sell my MCT for a MT, not for a DCT.

Thank you!

P.S. I hope ynguldyn's data is incomplete and that MT is an option! Thanks ynguldyn for responding!

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Elijaih

Scott, Can you confirm if there will be a MT option for the M4 CS? For me, the MT will make or break that purchase. I'm looking to sell my MCT for a MT, not for a DCT.

Thank you!

P.S. I hope ynguldyn's data is incomplete and that MT is an option! Thanks ynguldyn for responding!

Sorry I do not think there will be a manual with the CS just as there is no manual with the GTS and indeed it's precursors which were DKG and the M3 CSL which was SMG. They take these considerations into the global market and the higher percentage would be for M DKG. A future M4 CSL (Hypothetical) would be M DKG.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by derritterauskanada

Any chance of a shootingbrake/hatch verson of the 2er coupe?

No.

[jeff@autocouture]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Sorry I do not think there will be a manual with the CS just as there is no manual with the GTS and indeed it's precursors which were DKG and the M3 CSL which was SMG. They take these considerations into the global market and the higher percentage would be for M DKG. A future M4 CSL (Hypothetical) would be M DKG.

Will the CS be a limited car? and is it actually confirmed it will have OLEDs? I can't seem to find if and who confirmed that! thanks

[MalibuBimmer]

I know this is going to start an argument, and it's probably an old one, but it should be "shooting break."

The "break" refers to a flat wagon used to break draft horses. Englishmen in the late 1800s started to go out on shooting parties (pheasant and grouse mostly) using these big flat wagons, sometimes adding seats. Voila, the "shooting break" was born.

The English called their first motorized stationwagons "shooting breaks" after the shooting carriage. (They were also called stationwagons because that's where they went to pick up passengers.)

Then cars had "brakes" which are a very important article. (Wagons had brakes, too, but also had the shafts and the breeching that used horse-power to help stop the wagon.) And we corrupted "shooting break" "shooting brake." Ugh. It doesn't give credit to the real origin of the damn vehicle.

Oh, well.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

It'll only get the ZCP power increase.

And that's essentially no increase since you can already get that by ordering ZCP.

I have to say, I am still not seeing the vision here. The ~$5k Competition Package already amps up the performance as well as provides distinctly racier interior and exterior treatment above and beyond the standard M4. Why do we need another factory effort that achieves the same sort of goals in a different way, but adds even more to the bottom line? That's a rhetorical question, and I suppose I really need to reserve judgment until the official product announcement, but try as I may, it's tough to be excited about this car right now.

[zibawal]

Any idea how much mileage boost for i3 LCI

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Doesn't appear to be the case


It'll only get the ZCP power increase.

Are you sure about ZCP power only? Why the GTS hood then? Just for looks?

[Sir Loin]

Any guesses or rumor on when production of the new X2 will start? What I would really like is an X1 M35i, but looks like only X2 may have M35i.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Sir Loin

Any guesses or rumor on when production of the new X2 will start? What I would really like is an X1 M35i, but looks like only X2 may have M35i.

I believe not until early 2018 based on comments SCOTT has made in the recent past.

He also suggested that the X1 will get an M35i model too though, so that's good news for you. It stands to reason since the G01 X3 will see the addition of an M40i model this year as well. And although the next generation G05 X5 info in the OP lists a "50i" instead of "M50i", I think it's a safe bet that it (and the X6) will also adopt the latter M Performance model name. So, in time, the entire X lineup will feature an M Performance model. For that matter so will the entire Gxx passenger car lineup, thereby covering every vehicle BMW sells in the US (except the i3 and i8).

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

Are you sure about ZCP power only? Why the GTS hood then? Just for looks?

Improved cooling and reduced weight are actual performance benefits.

[maragulon]

@ynguldyn Do you have some info about EU 1 series hatch?

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Improved cooling and reduced weight are actual performance benefits.

You do have a point. Might also allow for a little extra boost to, may be, 460 hp just for CS bragging rights.

[swagon]

A member here uploaded an interesting txt file containing BMW AG models.

re M4 CS:

3S71,P,BMW PKW,4',F82,M4 CS,COU,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,,
3S72,P,BMW PKW,4',F82,M4 CS,COU,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,MECH,,,,
3S73,P,BMW PKW,4',F82,M4 CS,COU,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,,
3S81,P,BMW PKW,4',F82,M4 CS,COU,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,,
3S82,P,BMW PKW,4',F82,M4 CS,COU,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,AUT,,,,
3S83,P,BMW PKW,4',F82,M4 CS,COU,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,,

Also contains some other cars (G32, F90 AWD)

MECH means manual transmission, but there are cars that never had a manual transmission option and yet it states "mech" in the line.

[Axxlrod]

Any updates on the upcoming X7 model?

I've been waiting for this model for a looong time. Seems like all info about this model went dark several months ago. Any updates?

I'm getting tired of driving my wife's Mercedes GL when we take her car. The Comand system is crap compared to iDrive.

[ynguldyn]

M8.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

- M8: F91 Cab, F92 Coupe, F93 GC. Coming in 2019-2020.

More evidence that the 8 is the new 6. Model codes follow in direct succession from the F90 M5.

It seems that things will be a bit awkward if they indeed go through with the naming change. The 8 will surely be positioned above the 7 in price. Yet for the high performance models, the M8 will presumably get the ~650hp V8 (whether it be the swan song for the S63 or the debut of an M version of the new 4.0 V8) while the 7 Series will top out with the M760i M Performance model with the ~600hp V12.

And of course the question remains - is the 6 now the Gran Turismo and only the Gran Turismo, or is there more?

[5against8]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

And of course the question remains - is the 6 now the Gran Turismo and only the Gran Turismo, or is there more?

Scott keeps saying there will also be a "new 6" other than the 6GT.. I really hope so.

"There is going to be an all new 6er. Just different from today's car ie no longer a luxury GT but close to the tradition of BMW Coupes like the E9 and original 6er." [from the model code list thread]

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by 5against8

Scott keeps saying there will also be a "new 6" other than the 6GT. I really hope so.

True, and I've seen plenty of discussion about it, but it certainly isn't very well defined at this point. Add to that the confusion about which spy shots are the 8 and which are the 6 and it is anyone's guess as to how it plays out.

The other thing is, with the size of the luxury coupe market shrinking slowly but surely, these new products seem strangely ill timed. Its marketing gymnastics to keep them from overlapping too much with each other.

Mercedes for example has a bit of challenge in this area right now. They just launched a new E Class coupe and convertible. This, after they began offering a C Class coupe and convertible for the first time ever last year as well. So now you can get C, E, and S in all four major form factors - sedan, estate, coupe, convertible (excepting an S Class Estate). Great.

But, wait a minute. There are no V8 powered AMG models planned for this new E class coupe and convertible even though you can get the lower C class spec'd that way. In fact, there won't even be E43 models. Only an E400 for now. So you have this bizarre situation where you can get the sedan in AMG form with either a 390hp V6 or 620hp V8 while the coupe/convertible top out with the 330hp V6. Heck, even the wagon can be had with the V8. Why? Presumably because they don't want the E coupe/convertible to eat the S coupe/convertible sales (or get eaten by C coupe/convertible sales). Apparently, the market can handle the sedan overlap but that's not the case for the two-door models. Ok, fair enough. But then why bother with the two-door E's to begin with? Tiny market it would seem, no?

Will BMW be in the same spot? Too early to tell. It all seems a bit fragile though.

[maragulon]

^E coupe will have E43 and E55 models