Have to sell one to keep the other two...1M, E92 M3, F82 M4

[Slow///1]

Originally Posted by karussell

driven the 1M plenty. The M3 is no less hooliganish just gotta rev her up. Certainly the M4 being the same engine family but much more power and similar weight of the 1M will make it even more so. Hence i say keep the NA V8 as its more of a different experience than driving a 1M. I like the 1 series. I even raced a particularly quick one at the ring in VLN.

do i think the 1M is worth keeping as an investment. no. only reason to keep any recent car is because you enjoy it.

Fair enough. I don't view any of these as investment choices so I'm with you there. Different strokes is all...

[soccer dad]

I know this is a dumb comparison, but the same way I will keep a limited edition pair of sneakers, (even though they are only worth $400), I would rather have something that very few people have (1M) / something that I really like, and bragging rights, so to speak. I'd much rather have the rare sneakers than the $400.

If you're a car person/guy/gal, then keep the rarer car. You go to a car meet and you will be one of a few (at most) 1Ms. AND it looks waaaaay different than any 1-series out there, or 3-series/M3 for that matter.

The M3 V8 will be around plentiful, looks the same as most of the other 3's and if you really want to get one 3 years from now, you will probably do it with ease.

Get the F80 / 82 euro delivery and you have the same sentimental feeling.

Regardless...these are just cars... so enjoy them! Not investments!

[Jockey]

So if you're ditching the 1M, I know someone who would buy it

[Roundown]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

An E9X M3 will NEVER be a collectible, just like the E46 isn't a collectible. Far too many were made to render that a possibility.

I've been looking for a clean, one-owner, low mileage E46 and can tell you that they're getting harder to find/going up in price.

[Poofyo101]

Originally Posted by riM3

I've been looking for a clean, one-owner, low mileage E46 and can tell you that they're getting harder to find/going up in price.

That is because they are getting older now but you would have had no problem finding it a few years back.

[s4play]

It's funny to read the wide variety of replies here ~ easy for everyone to talk when it's not your money on the line! This is all I have to say.

None of these cars are that special. Yes the 1M commands more money but only if you keep it pristine, never track it, low miles, etc. If you just look at it from a visual standpoint it's really an ugly car that reminds me of the BMW hatches back in the day when people joke you can't afford a full BMW....

[unagi]

Don't know if this is any help, but my ///M collection will be Z4 M Coupe and M4 -- I like them together because they are very different character -- Z4 M is brash, wild, tail happy, unaspirated, and attractive (stares and high fives every day) vs M4 is well rounded, faster, modern, and has rear seats. Why don't you wait until you've driven the M4 and then after delivery, keep the combination that together makes you happiest?

[LOVEM]

I just traded MY E92 FOR NEW M4 EURO DELIVERY.
1M is a keeper.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by s4play

It's funny to read the wide variety of replies here ~ easy for everyone to talk when it's not your money on the line! This is all I have to say.

None of these cars are that special. Yes the 1M commands more money but only if you keep it pristine, never track it, low miles, etc. If you just look at it from a visual standpoint it's really an ugly car that reminds me of the BMW hatches back in the day when people joke you can't afford a full BMW....

it's pretty hilarious to read someone who owns the horrifically atrocious Lexus CT200h talk shit about the 1er's looks. LOL



almost everyone who criticizes the 1M's looks are E9X M3 owners....perhaps its jealousy that the 1M became an instant classic.

[Roundown]

Originally Posted by Poofyo101

That is because they are getting older now but you would have had no problem finding it a few years back.

Right...but collectibility is collectibility?

[Never Convicted]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

it's pretty hilarious to read someone who owns the horrifically atrocious Lexus CT200h talk shit about the 1er's looks. LOL



almost everyone who criticizes the 1M's looks are E9X M3 owners....perhaps its jealousy that the 1M became an instant classic.

Yeah...that must be it...

[shad951]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

it's pretty hilarious to read someone who owns the horrifically atrocious Lexus CT200h talk shit about the 1er's looks. LOL



almost everyone who criticizes the 1M's looks are E9X M3 owners....perhaps its jealousy that the 1M became an instant classic.

+1...That Lexus is fugly

[Patronus86]

IMO, keep the E92 M3 and the new F82 M4. The 1M as rare and cool as it is, is really just a smaller, less powerful version of the F82. It's a turbo charged 6 cylinder with a bunch of M bits thrown together...it's a cool car and I definitely would have gone for one if I had the chance. If the M4 lives up to the hype, its newer turbo 6 cylinder and redesigned chassis should be able to outdo anything the 1M does.

There is a good chance the E92 M3 will be the only one of this class with the V8. Not sure if this will affect resale value in the long run, but that certainly holds a lot more sentimental value in my book. A different kind of beast from the M4, whereas the 1M really mimics the M4.

[Poofyo101]

Thank you all. So many good points. I guess the only real way to tell is to finally drive the M4 when the demos hit...if that day ever comes...

[s4play]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

it's pretty hilarious to read someone who owns the horrifically atrocious Lexus CT200h talk shit about the 1er's looks. LOL



almost everyone who criticizes the 1M's looks are E9X M3 owners....perhaps its jealousy that the 1M became an instant classic.

Don't get butt-hurt, I'm only stating my opinion. I take it you are a 1M owner LOL - no bias there.

I've had almost every iteration of the M3, never had desire to own the 1M because of the exact reason I stated, looks like a cheap'd out BMW 318. Price is not even an point here but obviously you think it's important to mention.

1M is a classic among 1M owners, nothing more. Now if that car had the N/A V8 that would at least have some cool factor.

I don't get jealous over a car that I consider for mid-level kids to own


P.S. I almost forgot the CT is my wife's daily and she has other cars for weekend toys. The CT may not be the best looking thing in the world but it's 10x better than the Prius and does everything it's supposed to do for the task we bought it for. 52mpg is nothing to sneeze at for a commuter with $30 fill-ups

[Gastoys]

Get rid of both of them as they are dated.

Replace m1 with m235i and m3 with f80 m3

Personnally I would shoot higher and go for a m5 w/ comp pk

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by Gastoys

Replace m1 with m235i

[nonagon]

1M's looks are polarizing but doesn't 'look like a cheaped out 318.' You're being silly. You don't have to like the 1M but you do have to understand it's a rarity that has great resale value, and therefore can sell it later and get a used E92 M (or whatever) if you ever become bored with it. Doesn't work the other way around. Sounds like you're bitter that most people agree with me - keep the 1M and sell the M3, and get the F82.

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Edit - this was meant as a reply to s4play above

[Patronus86]

Originally Posted by nonagon

You don't have to like the 1M but you do have to understand it's a rarity that has great resale value, and therefore can sell it later and get a used E92 M (or whatever) if you ever become bored with it. Doesn't work the other way around. Sounds like you're bitter that most people agree with me - keep the 1M and sell the M3, and get the F82.

Yeah, I think everyone agrees that it is rare. But the engine type, handling, and overall performance that it offers will likely be magnified in the new M4. The reason the 1M was such a big deal, and still is, is because BMW offered the turbo charged N54 with all the good M bits (LSD, suspension, brakes, ect.) something that 335i, 335is and 135is owners have always wanted.

It was also a different beast from the M3 (turbo vs NA engine). The M4 is essentially offering everything the 1M offers but in a slightly bigger, newer, and more powerful package. So while it will always be an extremely rare and exclusive model, I do think the 1M's novelty will wear off as people get their hands on the new M4's and M3's...how this will affect resale value is another debate.

I still think it's an awesome car, but if I could get my hands on a M4, I wouldn't feel the need to have the 1M as well. Whereas the old E9x M3 is different car with different attributes than what the F8x M4 offers. I would want that old M3 just to have diversity in my garage...my 2 cents.

[nonagon]

Originally Posted by Patronus86

Yeah, I think everyone agrees that it is rare. But the engine type, handling, and overall performance that it offers will likely be magnified in the new M4. The reason the 1M was such a big deal, and still is, is because BMW offered the turbo charged N54 with all the good M bits (LSD, suspension, brakes, ect.) something that 335i, 335is and 135is owners have always wanted.

It was also a different beast from the M3 (turbo vs NA engine). The M4 is essentially offering everything the 1M offers but in a slightly bigger, newer, and more powerful package. So while it will always be an extremely rare and exclusive model, I do think the 1M's novelty will wear off as people get their hands on the new M4's and M3's...how this will affect resale value is another debate.

I still think it's an awesome car, but if I could get my hands on a M4, I wouldn't feel the need to have the 1M as well. Whereas the old E9x M3 is different car with different attributes than what the F8x M4 offers. I would want that old M3 just to have diversity in my garage...my 2 cents.

Since diversity is your argument, I'd counter by saying it is also mine. Although they are both turbocharged, they are still very different cars. 1M and M4 are miles apart in size, presence and technology. 1M is a raw little beast, and M4 is the pinnacle of modern BMW engineering. Owning both an M3 Coupe and M4, while they are also different in character, is basically owning adjacent generations of the same car. Plus, if indeed as you suggest 1M and M4 somehow end up being too similar, you could later sell the 1M and get another M3 Coupe. But it's difficult to get another 1M.

[Patronus86]

Originally Posted by nonagon

Since diversity is your argument, I'd counter by saying it is also mine. Although they are both turbocharged, they are still very different cars. 1M and M4 are miles apart in size, presence and technology. 1M is a raw little beast, and M4 is the pinnacle of modern BMW engineering. Owning both an M3 Coupe and M4, while they are also different in character, is basically owning adjacent generations of the same car. Plus, if indeed as you suggest 1M and M4 somehow end up being too similar, you could later sell the 1M and get another M3 Coupe. But it's difficult to get another 1M.

I don't know if you own a 1m or not, but your attempt to defend your point comes across as trying too hard. Let me again say, I think the 1M is an awesome car and I wish BMW did the same thing for my car the 335is (mainly I would have loved the 1m's LSD on my own).

But if you make an honest comparison of the 1M to the M4, there are more similarities between these 2 cars than there are between the M4 and old M3.

1.) The M4's S55 engine is built upon the turbo charged technology that BMW started with the 1M's N54 (which is nearly identical to the 135is and 335is engine as well). S55, as it has been described so far, will basically be a newer, more powerful version of the N54. So engine performance between the 1M and M4 will be similar, though the M4's in theory will be more powerful. The E9x M3's S65 is a NA V8. The engine performance and characteristics are quite a bit different from both that of the M4 and 1M.

2.) In addition, since both the 1M and M4 are turbo charged, the cooling and air intake systems will likely be very similar. I am not claiming that they will be exactly the same, but more similar to each other than either one is to what the old E9x M3 had.

Now I've read the preliminary descriptions of the M4 so I know about the new weight reduction, chassis, and carbon reinforced parts that will be exclusive to the M4. This car will not be the same as the 1M, and the overall performance it offers will differ from the 1M's. Yet the turbo charged driving experience it offers will resemble that of the 1M's much more so than it resembles what the old M3 offers.

The 1M and M4 are different cars but very much are products of the same fuel efficient, turbo charged mindset. The old M3 is a high reving, gas guzzling, V8 monster that really is a different class of engine from the N54 and S55.

How the handling and road feel compares among these 3 cars is anyone's guess since the M4 hasn't been officially reviewed yet. I know the M4 will have electronic steering, which I believe is a change from the 1M and old M3. But we'll have to wait for the first reviews. Any handling differences aside, I do think engine performance is what really distinguishes these cars (at least in this conversation) and helps define the diversity.

[nonagon]

You're focusing on the engine, which is really the only similarity. And if the OP needs to have one V8 car and one TT I6 car, then fine. I personally think the difference in size, refinement, comfort, technology and horsepower between 1M & M4 trump the fact that they both have turbos.

But my point is sell the E92, and decide which brings you the best fun and diversity in the garage, after having driven all three. You can always get a used M3 Coupe later if you miss that V8. Finding a used 1M later would be tough, and expensive.