[ntg44]

Originally Posted by No Boost

And the 5-60, aka real world acceleration, is probably at least a half second slower. Shit, my '04 was faster. How pathetic.

I wonder why they chose gearing such that it hits 60 in third. With such a low redline, I thought they would have spaced the gears out a little wider. Short gears don't benefit acceleration in turbocharged engines in the first few gears.

My 09 WRX with 6500 RPM redline hit either 65 or 72 mph in 2nd if I recall correctly. From my understanding, the USDM STI hits 60 in 3rd due to the gearing being optimized for the 2.0L EJ which revs to over 7000 RPM (7800 I think?), but to deliberately design the ratios for a brand new car this way is strange. Unless they just carried over the ratios from the previous gen WRX, which would be...odd. But not at all surprising at this point.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the last generation of WRX. Subaru doesn't really care that much about it anymore, so I don't see why we should either. I'm more interested in the GR86/BRZ at this point. Never thought I'd say this, but there are more exciting Hyundais currently available than the new WRX.

[Bush Pilot]

Agree. And I don't know what sort of brakes were on it other than I knew it wasn't the Brembos on the STI.

I always felt like I was still in an econobox in the WRX...because I was, but one with 250 hp. I wouldn't buy another one.

[heavyD^2]

I had a 2013 STI and it was a fine car for getting around 12 months of the year but no matter how much you adjusted DCCD I could never get it to handle like my old EVO and the EJ257 is really weak engine relative to today's 4 cylinder turbocharged engines. You had to wind that thing out or get smoked at green lights by Toyota Camrys. Also the thing rattled like a tin can. It's the first car I have ever owned that I had to remove nearly every single interior piece to try and fix rattles. I think I'm far past owning a car like this again as it's more of a starter's car for a young adult.

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by ntg44

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the last generation of WRX. Subaru doesn't really care that much about it anymore, so I don't see why we should either. I'm more interested in the GR86/BRZ at this point. Never thought I'd say this, but there are more exciting Hyundais currently available than the new WRX.

Yep, the BRZ and N line Hyundais exude a much bigger enthusiast vibe....Except for those wannabe rally drivers that want AWD.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by No Boost

Yep, the BRZ and N line Hyundais exude a much bigger enthusiast vibe....Except for those wannabe rally drivers that want AWD.

Just look at the Honda Type R time around a track vs. the STI...

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by RM7

Just look at the Honda Type R time around a track vs. the STI...

I'm sure it's a bloodbath.

[Randy22]

Not bad design, but it would be better if they do hatchback again

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Randy22

Not bad design, but it would be better if they do hatchback again

Ok, but if we weren't on a BMW site with the giant nostril M3 and M4, then it'd be a bad design...

[x622]

I wish I had my old Hawkeye still. Apparently it would of still been a better car than these "modern" subies.

Japanese cars are truly dead.

[Fast.F10]

Body style is boring imo. Got no rise after looking at pics or videos.

[nicholasn]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I wouldn't say they are on fire like they were most of last decade when they were breaking year over year records. There are on the back side of their peak as sales were starting to slide just before the pandemic. They are still very popular in certain states and I have no doubt that this new WRX will sell very well as while this car no longer represents what enthusiast want in a sporty sedan it does represent what a lot of today's CUV/SUV buyers want which is rugged outdoorsy looks. I will go on record and say I just don't like the black plastic cladding on a car as it looks cheap but will reserve judgement for when I see in person. My opinion really doesn't matter as I would always bypass WRX straight to STI if I was going this direction but there's a lot of Subaru people that will probably love this look and good for them I guess.

Imo, Subaru is not in a great long-term position. I see them everywhere here in NC, and its bestselling models are driven mostly by old people who want boring safe cars. AWD isn't the selling point that it once was either because competitors are pushing AWD on more and more of their cars (for example, all 2022 Mazda SUVs will only be available with AWD). WRXs and BRZs are the only Subarus I see regularly that are driven by younger people. I'm not sure what Subaru's plan is, but I don't think a lot of their buyers will be buying cars for much longer, and they don't offer anything interesting for younger BRZ and WRX buyers to transition into.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by nicholasn

Imo, Subaru is not in a great long-term position. I see them everywhere here in NC, and its bestselling models are driven mostly by old people who want boring safe cars. AWD isn't the selling point that it once was either because competitors are pushing AWD on more and more of their cars (for example, all 2022 Mazda SUVs will only be available with AWD). WRXs and BRZs are the only Subarus I see regularly that are driven by younger people. I'm not sure what Subaru's plan is, but I don't think a lot of their buyers will be buying cars for much longer, and they don't offer anything interesting for younger BRZ and WRX buyers to transition into.

Subaru Legacy is a great midsize sedan. I would take it over Camry and Accord. I really don’t know why it’s not more popular.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by nicholasn

Imo, Subaru is not in a great long-term position. I see them everywhere here in NC, and its bestselling models are driven mostly by old people who want boring safe cars. AWD isn't the selling point that it once was either because competitors are pushing AWD on more and more of their cars (for example, all 2022 Mazda SUVs will only be available with AWD). WRXs and BRZs are the only Subarus I see regularly that are driven by younger people. I'm not sure what Subaru's plan is, but I don't think a lot of their buyers will be buying cars for much longer, and they don't offer anything interesting for younger BRZ and WRX buyers to transition into.

They sell like crack cocaine to old people, they are in a great position. If they are developing EV technology, they will be set. A lot of automakers are doing a lot of work behind the scenes with EV models and about to release scores of stuff, but the one thing that Subaru knows is how to sell boring cars and people will always get old and need a "safe" car. If they stay in that market, they'll do well. The good side is for some of us that are young enough, we will be able to get around on our own after we are unable to drive a car.

I know with other manufacturers, they are entering transition zones where they do have some pretty hot EV vehicles planned, but the current models are becoming hold-overs until those newer production lines are ramped up. Subaru obviously doesn't care enough to release something like a CTS-V Blackwing, so yeah...

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by nicholasn

Imo, Subaru is not in a great long-term position. I see them everywhere here in NC, and its bestselling models are driven mostly by old people who want boring safe cars. AWD isn't the selling point that it once was either because competitors are pushing AWD on more and more of their cars (for example, all 2022 Mazda SUVs will only be available with AWD). WRXs and BRZs are the only Subarus I see regularly that are driven by younger people. I'm not sure what Subaru's plan is, but I don't think a lot of their buyers will be buying cars for much longer, and they don't offer anything interesting for younger BRZ and WRX buyers to transition into.

The old folks are easily more likely to be buying the same brand over and over again, just ask Toyota/Lexus, they manage to be successful by being boring and dead reliable.

Boring people are the majority of new car buyers, not enthusiasts.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by RM7

They sell like crack cocaine to old people, they are in a great position. If they are developing EV technology, they will be set. A lot of automakers are doing a lot of work behind the scenes with EV models and about to release scores of stuff, but the one thing that Subaru knows is how to sell boring cars and people will always get old and need a "safe" car. If they stay in that market, they'll do well. The good side is for some of us that are young enough, we will be able to get around on our own after we are unable to drive a car.

I know with other manufacturers, they are entering transition zones where they do have some pretty hot EV vehicles planned, but the current models are becoming hold-overs until those newer production lines are ramped up. Subaru obviously doesn't care enough to release something like a CTS-V Blackwing, so yeah...

They aren't developing EV technology. The Solterra is 100% Toyota. The problem with Subaru is that their success revolves around quirky, affordable AWD vehicles and once we are in an all-EV landscape where all brands will offer vehicles with front and rear motors their boxer engine & symmetrical AWD system will be officially dead. They will lose their quirkiness and anything that differentiates them from any other brands. I wouldn't be surprised if they are eventually absorbed by Toyota.

[AlexFL]

Levorg-based 271 hp WRX wagon for Australia. Subaru bosses probably think that Americans don’t like wagons. Instead they love sedans with heavy plastic cladding.

[OkieSnuffBox]

I just want to see some enough on the next STi!

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

It all looks good, too bad its CVT ONLY. Laughable decision by Subaru.

The Japanese LOVES their CVT, and that's likely why it is the way it is.
Yes, a 5/6 speed version of the Levorg would have been a winner, but we can all see how amazingly well wagons sell here, pretty sure its the same reason the VA gen WRX doesn't get sold here as a wagon/hatchback

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

It all looks good, too bad its CVT ONLY. Laughable decision by Subaru.

Yes, they should have offered manual as option. People say Subaru’s CVT is not as bad and noisy as Nissan’s.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Yes, they should have offered manual as option. People say Subaru’s CVT is not as bad and noisy as Nissan’s.

They are just as bad in regards to reliability as like Nissan, Subaru also had to extend the warranty on them because of premature failures. The reason the Japanese love them is because they are cheap and help attain higher fuel mileage. There's a reason the Japanese never really dabbled in DCT's and it's because they are very frugal when it comes to adding tech to vehicles. Subaru is one of the cheapest Japanese brands as they haven't even invested in a proper torque converter automatic for their more expensive models like the Ascent or WRX/STI. If Subaru was proud of their CVT's they wouldn't try to hide them from general public by omitting the words "CVT" in all their sales literature and calling it only a Subaru Performance Transmission with the WRX.

[Germanauto]

Not an attractive car but in the TH review it doesn't look as bad as before.

It doesn't sound like anything remarkable to drive relative to its segment. They mentioned the steering is light even in corners and has no road feel. Interior is typical Subaru plastic everywhere. Aside from AWD and option for a stick, I don't see the appeal of this car.

[AlpineBoost]

Next gen ICE STI based on the the new WRX platform is dead:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301500419.html

CAMDEN, N.J., March 11, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- As the automotive marketplace continues to move towards electrification, Subaru is focused on how our future sports and performance cars should evolve to meet the needs of the changing marketplace and the regulations and requirements for greenhouse gasses (GHG), zero emissions vehicles (ZEV), and Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFÉ).

As part of that effort, Subaru Corporation is exploring opportunities for the next generation Subaru WRX STI, including electrification. In the meantime, a next generation internal combustion engine WRX STI will not be produced based upon the new WRX platform.

The Subaru WRX STI and the STI brand represent the zenith of Subaru's performance vehicles exemplifying Subaru's unique DNA and rally heritage. As we look to the future, we also look forward to incorporating the essence of STI into our next generation of vehicles.