[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by swampfox94

Really excited for all the people who begged bmw for an m wagon to put their money where their mouth is lol

Right?!? Let's see how many actually do.


P.S. How come we can get this model stateside, but not the G8X wagon?!?!

[itf joegun]

https://www.bmwblog.com/2022/07/25/b...uring-g99-u-s/

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Right?!? Let's see how many actually do.


P.S. How come we can get this model stateside, but not the G8X wagon?!?!

too small for americans

it is a very crammed car and i'm 5' 9" 160lbs on a good day

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by e61it

I had a 2001 540it complete with slushbox. I put a Dinan Stage 1 engine tune and Suspension tune on it and it was a fantastic drive - transmission was more the quick enough up and down. I'm wondering if BMW is trying to find another market for this car to reclaim some of the money that went into it. I doubt it will meet the new Euro environmental regulations within a few years. All that said it would be great if they could send us a standard 540 wagon phev equipped. Perhaps that would get some folks away from the x5 which might be another reason neither the 3 or 5 m wagons will make it here which has been mentioned in other previous posts.

I think this is most of the reason. The make the X vehicles here for us to buy. If they import 3 and 5 series wagons to the US, they're paying the costs (and passing it along, I know) to do so while also cutting into their own market. And I'm sure the margins are better on the X3 and X5. As a business person, I get it. And I think with Mercedes you can get the wagon but you have to order it. Everyone started making us the crossovers and got away from wagons. Except Volvo, probably because it's such a big part of their identity here. I love the look of the V90 and I would love to drive one, except it's boring to actually drive. I couldn't have that as my only vehicle, it would drive me nuts. Call it ego, but it's the truth.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by G80M4

too small for americans

it is a very crammed car and i'm 5' 9" 160lbs on a good day

Given our obesity rate(s), everything is too crammed for Americans. We lead the world in fatties.

[jmciver]

Originally Posted by bjcarls

I think people wanted a M3 wagon at $85k. Not a $125k wagon. At least that is what I wanted, I never asked for this and not now. About 5+ years too late.

This…. All things being equal, there is a reasonable business case to be made as to why BMW chose not to sell any new model wagons in the US - M variant or not. As was mentioned earlier in this thread, the US has historically preferred SUVs over wagons - and BMW SAV sales figures support that (and I am proud X7 owner ).

That said, I am sure there are some hard core M wagon enthusiasts who will still get one. But most likely not nearly as many M3T sales BMW probably could have made in the US. So whatever the sales figure delta is between M3 vs M5 sales, expect to see a similar delta between (would be) US M3T sales vs M5T sales. Thus most likely giving BMW more incentive to NOT bring any M wagons (or wagons period) to the US again.

That said, I would not get one (or an M3T if one were offered) as I am not into wagons. But it would still be nice to see a M5T come to the US. And I hope there are enough M5T buyers to make it profitable, which would probably prove any M3T in US "nay sayers" at BMW corporate wrong…

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Chas8283

Mercedes E class wagon owners were traditionally some of MB's wealthiest customers.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/interview-mercedes-benz-wagon-master-joe-stauble/amp/

Huh. Go figure. I'll sit here and eat my popcorn. Do hope they sell out.

[BretCols]

Originally Posted by dangaroo

Well let's see if BMW does anything to help avoid the ridiculous markups the dealers will undoubtably put on these cars. If they sold at MSRP I don't see why they wouldn't sell just fine

So BMW are piloting a new business model in South Africa which if successful will roll out to other countries. All new cars belong to BMW SA, not the dealer therefore regardless of the dealer you go to pricing remains the same on that specific car.
Dealers as well as consumers all have access to exactly the same stock nationwide at the same price..no ridiculous premiums

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by FreshlySnipes

You just gotta find the dealers that don't do markups. They are out there. I had to buy my '22 M3 in a different state to avoid markup lol.

I know someone that got M5CS at MSRP. Seen it with my own eyes. He searched then he flew then he drove.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by G80M4

too small for americans

it is a very crammed car and i'm 5' 9" 160lbs on a good day

G80/82/83 is easily big enough for up to about 6ft and plus really. 5'9 crammed in a modern 3/4 series, wow, I'm surprised. Not for me at 5'10.

[ellipsis212]

Originally Posted by JustChris

G80/82/83 is easily big enough for up to about 6ft and plus really. 5'9 crammed in a modern 3/4 series, wow, I'm surprised. Not for me at 5'10.

At 5'10" you'd just about fit into one of the grilles. 6' is pushing it

[Silververtu]

That will be a $150k wagon based on typical premium over equivalent SUV and sedan. Also the going rate for RS6 and E63s wagons.

[khoa@x-ph.com]

[BMWCCA1]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

I know someone that got M5CS at MSRP. Seen it with my own eyes. He searched then he flew then he drove.

No big deal. The one I sold went at MSRP. The new owner did have to wait almost a year, but . . .

[Ftpohyeah]

All you millionaires please get one and maybe they'll bring the m3 touring so I can have that!

[Ex_Stig]

When it was first posted a while back about rumors of the M5T I immediately called my sales guy. He said, "don't believe everything you see on the internet". But, at the same time, they started a list and I have the first slot.

Very exciting because I've wanted a M5 Touring ever since the E34 version. Can't wait!

[FreshlySnipes]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

This is amazing. However, I am not interested because… let me think. I want manual transmission, Whipple supercharger, and RWD only.

Sounds like you want a CT5-V Blackwing lol

[itsmabs]

I would love one. I have a modded A6 allroad right now that's scratching the wagon itch. Really hope they bring other variants as well, the m550 would have been the perfect balance as a wagon for me. As much as I want a m5T, once we get north of a 120k, it becomes a irresponsible purchase for me. Car cost has really skyrocketed, hope it gets reeled back in.

Hopefully the new e63s and maybe an etron RS6 show up at about the same time for some competition.

[10"]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Right?!? Let's see how many actually do.


P.S. How come we can get this model stateside, but not the G8X wagon?!?!

I feel like a broken record explaining this again and again! :P

This has everything to do with body style federalization. The reason why the M5 is coming is because the standard 5-series Touring is coming. Since they are federalizing the wagon body style they can now bring the M5 Touring.

Audi did the same with A5/RS6 and Mercedes did the same with E class wagon/AMG

Since nobody bought the prior 3-series Touring BMW didn't bring it again for this generation. Despite what the internet mythologizes very few people actually buy wagons when they are offered—and that's why no M3 touring came or will come.

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Given our obesity rate(s), everything is too crammed for Americans. We lead the world in fatties.

I resemble that remark.

Shawn

[CarbonBlackJack]

Originally Posted by 10"

I feel like a broken record explaining this again and again! :P

This has everything to do with body style federalization. The reason why the M5 is coming is because the standard 5-series Touring is coming. Since they are federalizing the wagon body style they can now bring the M5 Touring.

Audi did the same with A5/RS6 and Mercedes did the same with E class wagon/AMG

Since nobody bought the prior 3-series Touring BMW didn't bring it again for this generation. Despite what the internet mythologizes very few people actually buy wagons when they are offered—and that's why no M3 touring came or will come.

So they could technically bring the RS4 Avant then

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by 10"

This has everything to do with body style federalization. The reason why the M5 is coming is because the standard 5-series Touring is coming.

G61 is not coming.