[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Damn! You would think IT would've been the first group consulted.

I understand one of the huge issues is storing and cataloguing all the video. Toronto Police for example is about 5500 members, so 2000 or so front line uniform.....imagine how much video get's shot every 24 hours. And how long does it have to be retained. Here in Canada they are talking 7 years minimum.

[rebekahb]

@Sedan_Clan how ya been? How's everything with work going?

[upstatedoc]

Originally Posted by Jameson.e88

If you were to pull over two people in the same situation for speeding (10, 15mph over) would you be more likely to give a ticket to the person with the radar detector?

You shouldn't mount the detector where they can see it. You're doing it wrong

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

And the new cameras in the parks? Well, what computer in Dispatch are you going to mount the PTZ controller? Oh, you have no idea? And just where is that camera station going to connect, and what bandwidth are you using to get the data back to Dispatch?

Your frustration is apparent. Haha!

Originally Posted by Murf993

I understand one of the huge issues is storing and cataloguing all the video. Toronto Police for example is about 5500 members, so 2000 or so front line uniform.....imagine how much video get's shot every 24 hours. And how long does it have to be retained. Here in Canada they are talking 7 years minimum.

AXON retains our videos on their servers. We have over 10,000 sworn so the rollout is in five station increments. My station was/is one of the first five stations to be outfitted with the cameras.

Originally Posted by rebekahb

@Sedan_Clan how ya been? How's everything with work going?

I'm doing well. I'm counting my days until I can leave patrol and go to a more relaxing spot in the county. How are you?

[Noneya]

What would change for you if anything if you were told that you can't have a gun on the job?

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by Murf993

I understand one of the huge issues is storing and cataloguing all the video. Toronto Police for example is about 5500 members, so 2000 or so front line uniform.....imagine how much video get's shot every 24 hours. And how long does it have to be retained. Here in Canada they are talking 7 years minimum.

Current +2 years is our retention schedule. They can't possibly be doing that with a Synology rack station for the park cameras, but the new PIO who is putting it all together (yes, PIO, not IT) is planning on 30 days

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Current +2 years is our retention schedule. They can't possibly be doing that with a Synology rack station for the park cameras, but the new PIO who is putting it all together (yes, PIO, not IT) is planning on 30 days

Jeff Bezos will be getting richer as the video files grow. Gotta love Amazon S3 for giving the world unlimited disk storage...for about $25/TB/month. Buy AMZN for your retirement portfolio.....

[vreihen16]

One would think that lawyers and politicians would dictate retention periods, not IT or end users. Lord knows that I have 5 outstanding litigation holds for "everything, forever" right now...and I work in private academia!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Noneya

What would change for you if anything if you were told that you can't have a gun on the job?

That wouldn't happen in the U.S., but I'll play. I would happily quit. Our criminals here are heavily armed.

[Noneya]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

That wouldn't happen in the U.S., but I'll play. I would happily quit. Our criminals here are heavily armed.

Thanks for playing. That's a big leap of logic from "our criminals are armed" to "I'll quit". From pro gun arguments I gather that criminals are always armed independently of gun laws. You have experience of being attacked by an armed criminal and helped by having a gun yourself and that's why you'd quit or ...?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Noneya

Thanks for playing. That's a big leap of logic from "our criminals are armed" to "I'll quit". From pro gun arguments I gather that criminals are always armed independently of gun laws. You have experience of being attacked by an armed criminal and helped by having a gun yourself and that's why you'd quit or ...?

It's not a big leap of logic at all. We pull illegal guns off of criminals EVERY SINGLE DAY. Sometimes it's near misses on being shot. Why would I continue to do this job when they can shoot, but I can't shoot back?!?! That would be beyond stupid.

[Chapperss]

Originally Posted by Noneya

Thanks for playing. That's a big leap of logic from "our criminals are armed" to "I'll quit". From pro gun arguments I gather that criminals are always armed independently of gun laws. You have experience of being attacked by an armed criminal and helped by having a gun yourself and that's why you'd quit or ...?

You what? Seems very logical to me - You expect an officer to confront the worse of the worse in a country where guns are legal (so you have loads of them) and they would quit if you took their force multiplier away.

Coming from the UK - our cops are armed with Batons and I think these days they all have Pepper/CS spray as well - worst they can expect to come up upon (within a statically relevant percentage) is a knife - I would imagine a lot of the UK police force would quit also if you took away the baton!

Seems to me you have an agenda you want to push but can`t quite formulate your arguments correctly.... make me think it`s someone else`s agenda but then that`s me assuming something

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Chapperss

You what? Seems very logical to me - You expect an officer to confront the worse of the worse in a country where guns are legal (so you have loads of them) and they would quit if you took their force multiplier away.

Coming from the UK - our cops are armed with Batons and I think these days they all have Pepper/CS spray as well - worst they can expect to come up upon (within a statically relevant percentage) is a knife - I would imagine a lot of the UK police force would quit also if you took away the baton!

Seems to me you have an agenda you want to push but can`t quite formulate your arguments correctly.... make me think it`s someone else`s agenda but then that`s me assuming something

I think there's an agenda here as well. Coupling that with an August 2020 join date increases my skepticism.

[Chapperss]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I think there's an agenda here as well. Coupling that with an August 2020 join date increases my skepticism.

I joined in August toooooooooooooo

FYI - Wrote my reply before you posted your comment (edit for spelling after) - didn`t think you needed standing up for but wanted to 'wade' in anyway.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Chapperss

I joined in August toooooooooooooo

FYI - Wrote my reply before you posted your comment (edit for spelling after) - didn`t think you needed standing up for but wanted to 'wade' in anyway.

Haha! You're good.

Welcome to the forum BTW!

[Chapperss]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Haha! You're good.

Welcome to the forum BTW!

TY - didn`t notice previous - you tag yourself as Brazil.

Brazil seems particularly hardcore!

I watch a self protection guy on YT (ASP(if you know, you know)) and Brazil seems to be particularly unhinged (strong comment when dealing with the subject matter ASP deals with(which are all shootings and how to best survive them)).

Don`t feel that you need to comment dude as I asked no questions.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Chapperss

TY - didn`t notice previous - you tag yourself as Brazil.

Brazil seems particularly hardcore!

I watch a self protection guy on YT (ASP(if you know, you know)) and Brazil seems to be particularly unhinged (strong comment when dealing with the subject matter ASP deals with(which are all shootings and how to best survive them)).

Don`t feel that you need to comment dude as I asked no questions.

The Brazil thing is just my connection to the country through Capoeira (...and I speak the language). I'm a born and raised Californian. Lol!

Brazil is rough in certain parts; more so as a tourist if you are unaware of what neighborhood you're venturing into. Speaking the language makes things much easier, but it's still dangerous in certain areas. I used to go every two years, but I haven't been since 2015-2016.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Chapperss

You what? Seems very logical to me - You expect an officer to confront the worse of the worse in a country where guns are legal (so you have loads of them) and they would quit if you took their force multiplier away.

Coming from the UK - our cops are armed with Batons and I think these days they all have Pepper/CS spray as well - worst they can expect to come up upon (within a statically relevant percentage) is a knife - I would imagine a lot of the UK police force would quit also if you took away the baton!

Seems to me you have an agenda you want to push but can`t quite formulate your arguments correctly.... make me think it`s someone else`s agenda but then that`s me assuming something

There are more and more armed coppers in the UK. Guns proliferate all criminal societies and knives should not in my opinion be dealt with armed with a whistle and a baton....sorry, the only acceptable weapon is a firearm......an armed officer could be supposed by one armed with a CEW or Baton round. Just my two cents.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Murf993

There are more and more armed coppers in the UK. Guns proliferate all criminal societies and knives should not in my opinion be dealt with armed with a whistle and a baton....sorry, the only acceptable weapon is a firearm......an armed officer could be supposed by one armed with a CEW or Baton round. Just my two cents.

I agree. People don't realize how quickly someone can cover ground. I would not want to deal with a criminal armed with a knife while I'm armed with only my ASP baton.

[Chapperss]

Originally Posted by Murf993

There are more and more armed coppers in the UK. Guns proliferate all criminal societies and knives should not in my opinion be dealt with armed with a whistle and a baton....sorry, the only acceptable weapon is a firearm......an armed officer could be supposed by one armed with a CEW or Baton round. Just my two cents.

Dude I don`t disagree - but the UK are holding back (maybe wrongly) due to the fear of mutual escalation. Our thought process (in a non gun country) is that - if all cops have guns - then all the criminals will decide they need a gun too.

The people that are paid to work this shit out have decided that it would be far more dangerous to introduce guns "as the norm" to our police then it would provide a benefit to society.

Sedan_Clan mentioned seeing guns on the daily - if the average copper, in the UK, sees a gun in their entire career i`'d be very very very very very very surprised!*


(*Term`s and conditions - unwilling to be surprised by anything less than official stats).

Murf993 I take it you are commenting from outside of UK or even Europe for that matter?

[F30lolz]

Have you ever seen a citizens arrest take place?

[upstatedoc]

Originally Posted by F30lolz

Have you ever seen a citizens arrest take place?

I've handcuffed someone before, does that count?