[3M TAPE]

Originally Posted by Motivate

EOP for Current Models

F22 2er - 10/21
F23 2er - 10/21


So does that mean the current 2 series/M2 will last until 10/21? That would be a long overall generation.

Looks pretty normal to me

2014-2018 2er (pre-LCI) - 4 years
2019-2021 2er (LCI) - 3 years

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Added a sizable chunk of info on engines.

Some of those are related to PPF for EU6c/d/7, CN6, and EPA Tier III not necessarily output class.

[Flying Ace]

what does "TU" mean?

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

what does "TU" mean?

Technical Update. It indicates majority of components are revised or new rather than carry-over.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

So for the F90 M5 S63 engine, will it be known as the S63tu2 now?

F90 is TU4. It's quite different.

[FC05]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

what does "TU" mean?

Maybe it just means Tune ups......
With just a few refresh components and software updates
You all know how easily you can do with turbo engines

Where are new units? BMW

Oppositions are introducing electric turbos to their new units and all BMW could do are those TUs'

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Regarding the B58, wikipedia suggests the 250Kw version is actually called the O0. Is that incorrect? It did seem strange to me that the X3 M40i specs call its new 265Kw version the M0, which is the name the original 240Kw version goes by. I agree it would make more sense if, as you say, all of them are M0 than if only the middle child is O0.

All current B58 applications are M0. My brain breaks a little every time I look up the info for a new higher powered model and still see M0 there. I'm a traditionalist, I learned to expect a new revision for each change in power output level, chasing all those versions that are truly just ECU and exhaust tweaks is exhausting (pardon the pun).

Still nothing about a new V8 family, eh? Rumors suggest that the 8 Series will get a 4.0L V8 which would presumably be all new rather than simply an N63 with less displacement.

Nope, nothing. But maybe those rumors are about that N63M I mentioned - using a lower output V8 just for prestige would make sense in the 8er.

Originally Posted by Ibiza

I believe the F90 went from Tu 2 to Tu4; wonder if the S63tu4 will be further tweaked for the future X5M/X6M just the current generation was?

Correct, the engine used in F90 through F96 is the TU4 iteration. I don't think there'll be any significant tweaking in the near future, S engines tend to have longer iteration cycles.

Originally Posted by lemetier

Some of those are related to PPF for EU6c/d/7, CN6, and EPA Tier III not necessarily output class.

TUs exist to solve all kinds of issues, including emissions. In the case of B48A TU (can't say anything about B48B TU yet), emissions clearly seem to be the focus: the output numbers remain the same, but there's an all-new ECU to manage the engine.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by FC05

Maybe it just means Tune ups......
With just a few refresh components and software updates
You all know how easily you can do with turbo engines

No. TU is actually TÜ, which means "Technische Überarbeitung" or "technical revision" for those of you without Google Translate. It is always more than just a few software updates, nowhere close to what aftermarket turbo tuners do.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

TUs exist to solve all kinds of issues, including emissions. In the case of B48A TU (can't say anything about B48B TU yet), emissions clearly seem to be the focus: the output numbers remain the same, but there's an all-new ECU to manage the engine.

There's a little snippet about it in a Rolls Royce document.

On the B58, there's an answer.

F30 LCI - EU6
G11/30 - EU6c
G01 - EU6d

All are the same base engine variant with a supplementary addendum specific to the type installation. This changes even more on Friday.

[mmmpassion]

Originally Posted by lemetier

There's a little snippet about it in a Rolls Royce document.

On the B58, there's an answer.

F30 LCI - EU6
G11/30 - EU6c
G01 - EU6d

All are the same base engine variant with a supplementary addendum specific to the type installation. This changes even more on Friday.

Which engine (B58 ...) will get the "normal" M2 as N55 has to be replaced for emission reasons. When will this be?
Everybode is talking about M2 CS / Competition but no information on techn. update of normal M2 till EOP.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by mmmpassion

Which engine (B58 ...) will get the "normal" M2 as N55 has to be replaced for emission reasons. When will this be?

It will probably just continue with the N55 until the end of the run. The Z4 continued to use the N54 for years after it had been replaced by the N55 in the rest of the lineup for similar reasons.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by mmmpassion

Which engine (B58 ...) will get the "normal" M2 as N55 has to be replaced for emission reasons. When will this be?
Everybode is talking about M2 CS / Competition but no information on techn. update of normal M2 till EOP.

A PPF can be installed rather than an engine update in markets where the individual type and/or Manufacturer Group Pool Average requirements dictate it.

[Motivate]

Originally Posted by 3M TAPE

Looks pretty normal to me

2014-2018 2er (pre-LCI) - 4 years
2019-2021 2er (LCI) - 3 years

But the LCI M240 as well as the LCI M2 are 2018 models though. I thought the current 2 series would end in MY2020.

[paliknight]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

Probably the S58 which is also slated for the X3M.

That would make complete sense considering the Next X5/X6M and the F90 are sharing the same engine.

Sucks to see though that they have 3 years to improve but BMW will still release an M3 with less HP/TQ than the competition's older generations (current C63, Alfa Guilia, etc).

[matbl]

Originally Posted by lemetier

There's a little snippet about it in a Rolls Royce document.

On the B58, there's an answer.

F30 LCI - EU6
G11/30 - EU6c
G01 - EU6d

All are the same base engine variant with a supplementary addendum specific to the type installation. This changes even more on Friday.

On friday? What happens on friday?

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

It will probably just continue with the N55 until the end of the run. The Z4 continued to use the N54 for years after it had been replaced by the N55 in the rest of the lineup for similar reasons.

They can run the N55 until Sept 2019. All cars produced after must meet Euro 6C emissions (the standard goes into effect on 9/18 but you're allowed one year to get existing models into compliance). Even if the regular 2er continues to 2021, I'm betting the regular M2 will most likely be done in 2019. No point in switching to a new motor for a year or so. Especially since they seem to be co-developing the M cars with the regular ones for release at the same time (or near) now.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Motivate

But the LCI M240 as well as the LCI M2 are 2018 models though. I thought the current 2 series would end in MY2020.

Irrespective of the LCI (and model years, which are really a US/Canada thing), the normal product cycle is seven years. And since the F22 started in 2014, it makes sense that it will go until 2021.

Originally Posted by PackPride85

They can run the N55 until Sept 2019. All cars produced after must meet Euro 6C emissions (the standard goes into effect on 9/18 but you're allowed one year to get existing models into compliance). Even if the regular 2er continues to 2021, I'm betting the regular M2 will most likely be done in 2019. No point in switching to a new motor for a year or so.

Interesting point. It would seem to be a lost opportunity for the M2 to end in 2019 when it could otherwise go until 2021. Unless they end up cutting the F22 run short and releasing the G42 early, perhaps the M2 will actually switch to a B58. As ynguldyn reports, the B58B30O1 will be here by then, and its output will no doubt eclipse that of the N55B30T0 in the M2 today since the B58B30M0 in the new X3 M40i is only about 10hp shy right now.

Especially since they seem to be co-developing the M cars with the regular ones for release at the same time (or near) now.

Not quite. The M5 is coming to market just over a year after the 5 Series, while the X3 M won't be here until 2019, following the series X3 by about 2 years. The X4 M will arrive closer to the X4 release due to it being a "coupe" variant of the X3. We'll see what they do with the M8 - I am still expecting a year or so between it and the 8 Series.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Irrespective of the LCI (and model years, which are really a US/Canada thing), the normal product cycle is seven years. And since the F22 started in 2014, it makes sense that it will go until 2021.

Not doubting this, but considering the F22/F23 are heavily based on the F20, they are going to be on a really old chassis by the time 2021 comes around. The F20 was first launched in 2011.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by SamS

Not doubting this, but considering the F22/F23 are heavily based on the F20, they are going to be on a really old chassis by the time 2021 comes around. The F20 was first launched in 2011.

Yep. This is just as it was with the E82/E88 compared to the E81/E87. Also very similar (but on a tighter schedule, sure) to the E92/E93 as compared to the E90/E91, and what will also be for the F32/F33 compared F30/F31.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by matbl

On friday? What happens on friday?

Mardigras.

[matbl]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Mardigras.

In september? Nah... ☺

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by matbl

On friday? What happens on friday?

What Scott said...