08-22-2019, 02:59 PM | #111 |
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The hilarious part of this thread is that more than half of all Porsche sales are rebadged VAG products. I don't know if Porsche would be viable today on their own (911 and 918 sales are miniscule) had they not had the Audi parts bin to produce SUV's.
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08-22-2019, 03:05 PM | #112 |
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It’s funny, when I used to spend time on Porsche forums, we’d talk about wishing that Porsche was more like Lotus, building simple driver’s cars, because Porsches have become to bloated and numb. Go figure. lol
The bottom line is that such a thing doesn’t sell well, and these companies are after money more than satisfying only enthusiasts. |
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08-22-2019, 03:08 PM | #113 |
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For those that romanticised for a modern e46... there's the 2-series.
BMW is catering to the rich Chinese market. They want tech, brand image, road presence (yay ugly grille), 3-letter feature acronyms and prestige. Driving dynamics? Have you seen Beijing traffic? And BMW is not the only car mfg chasing the Chinese cash. |
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08-22-2019, 03:15 PM | #114 |
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As someone with a 2006 ZHP E46 330ci and a 2016 M235 F23, I can honestly say the older car is fun for the occasional weekend jaunt but the modern 2-series is a lot nicer on a daily basis. The E46 has under 40K on it, while it doesn't share some of the typical (and expensive) problems of the M of that era it hasn't been cheap to maintain and aside from the steering rack there's not much about it that I prefer.
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08-22-2019, 03:32 PM | #115 |
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^ I had a 2001 330ci coupe. Often reminisce about it. It was a nice car to drive. Have toyed with the idea of picking one up. But I wonder if some memories are best left.... as memories.
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08-22-2019, 03:56 PM | #116 |
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I don’t know. BMW loaned me a 2 series when I took in my 135i, and I couldn’t wait to get my car back. The 2 felt big and dead to me.
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08-22-2019, 04:37 PM | #117 |
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2xx or M2?
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08-22-2019, 04:43 PM | #119 |
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That's not really a fair comparison in the 330 vs 2-series debate. Your car is modern enough and quick enough that there's not such a huge jump from one to the other. The E46 by comparison feels archaic and slow compared to my M235. I'd venture even a track package 228 would best it. Don't get me wrong the E46 is a wonderful thing and it will never leave the family, but if I were out shopping today I would not look for another one if we didn't already have one.
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I'd say BMW is as good as competitors when it comes to design, luxury, tech, etc. The 7-series is lackluster, but the rest of their portfolio is right there with the competition if not better. Where they are getting killed right now is in EV development. They are way behind the curve and failed with the i3 and i8.
But I agree that the driving dynamics are gone. When I have a family I'll certainly likely be getting a BMW SAV, but until then only the M2 would get my dollars as it drives as a BMW should. These rest of their vehicles are very competent but totally sterile to drive until driven at the limit. You used to be able to have fun with a base 328i or even X5 around town at legal speeds. Drive an F15/G05 after an E70, or G30/F10 after an E60, G20/F30 after an E90, etc. and they won't even feel like they were made by the same company. I feel akin to a Rams or Chargers fan who had part of their soul/identity snatched from them. BMW has totally sold out on us. With all this being said, Porsche is guilty too. It seems like unless you blow a lot of $ to get the souped up versions, their vehicles are also somewhat watered down for the masses.
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But the 2-series is mostly a snooze-fest until you get into the M2. It has nothing on the E46.
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it's faster just with less feeling, all modern car are going that way, so it seems...
someone comment about BMW is not that big anyway, so should aim for niche, my question would still be the same, should BMW be porsche? and without cross sharing on cost? I find it hard to believe that would be viable... |
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Maybe BMW needs to be bought over by a Chinese or Indian company. Look at Jag and Aston today. Even Volvo is having a bit of a revival. Oh poor Saab wish you hung on long enough for an asian suitor. Alas, you died a few years too early. |
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Someone asked me what my next car was after the 128i sport 6mt.
I said there is none. I might ADD a car but I won't let this one go. Last NA, straight six, hydraulic steering, compact size, simple interior, drivers car....the way BMW should be. The only other car I want to own one day is a Porsche.....
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Sadly...I totally agree.
There is not a single 2019 BMW I'd want to drive or own; besides maybe the M3/M4 CS if they made it with a manual (but they didn't) The only hope I have is that in some years BMW will bring out some retro range celebrating their greatest past achievements and they will rehash some old ideas in some niche product. Otherwise things are heading in the wrong direction for enthusiasts...
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