[RMachuca3d]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

M340i is mid-$50k... just like the Type S. The difference is the Type S will be better equipped at that price.

Except the type S will be a plow monster, understeer into infinity (pun intended ), unless honda finally makes a neutral handling car, but i HIGHLY doubt they will ever do that with all their safety mantras (drove the new type R, my focus ST handled so much more neutral without an LSD), so Q50\BMW\Cadillac etc etc will still handle way better.

[RMachuca3d]

heres a review of the new 2021 tlx aspec shawd, but the 4cyl version, as expected dynamically its not very good.

For arguments sake, the RWD CT4 V series makes 325hp and 380 tq, with a base price of 45k. Comes standard with RWD and LSD, which to me makes it already a better performance sedan out of the box.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by jstein55

I'm surprised, most of the other reviews were a lot more glowing.

I'm not too surprised. I watched some other reviews as well since the embargo lifted, and they all seem to tread very lightly knowing Acura is watching. The Straight Pipes have a big enough following that I trust their assessment over some of the other reviewers (not to mention that they have reviewed most of the competition for comparison).

[David70]

Car and Driver - https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

Seems really heavy for a FWD based AWD car and not following how it ends up 600 lbs heavier than an Accord. My biggest complaint is I don't want to spend this kind of money for a FWD based and normally driven, poor weight distribution car.

But the larger footprint brings with it that universal enemy of performance: weight. Top-trim TLXs, with the optional SH-AWD will be pushing 4000 pounds; that's more than 300 pounds heavier than a 330i xDrive and some 600 pounds heavier than a Honda Accord.

The battery moves to the rear for the first time in an Acura, shifting a claimed 52 pounds to the tail, while the use of aluminum for the front fenders and shock towers removes 29 pounds from the nose. Acura says the center of gravity shifts 3.4 inches rearward. All-wheel-drive models have a 57/43 percent front/rear weight distribution.

[RMachuca3d]

Originally Posted by David70

Car and Driver - https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

Seems really heavy for a FWD based AWD car and not following how it ends up 600 lbs heavier than an Accord. My biggest complaint is I don't want to spend this kind of money for a FWD based and normally driven, poor weight distribution car.

But the larger footprint brings with it that universal enemy of performance: weight. Top-trim TLXs, with the optional SH-AWD will be pushing 4000 pounds; that's more than 300 pounds heavier than a 330i xDrive and some 600 pounds heavier than a Honda Accord.

The battery moves to the rear for the first time in an Acura, shifting a claimed 52 pounds to the tail, while the use of aluminum for the front fenders and shock towers removes 29 pounds from the nose. Acura says the center of gravity shifts 3.4 inches rearward. All-wheel-drive models have a 57/43 percent front/rear weight distribution.

Yikes that's worse than i thought. I guess its competing more with 5 series now.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by RMachuca3d

Yikes that's worse than i thought. I guess its competing more with 5 series now.

Except it has very similar leg and cargo room as a 3 series or Audi A4. It's basically a bigger car for no reason.

[Humdizzle]

seems like they missed the mark. car looks nice though. i'd imagine most buyers will be people who got a pay raise and want to stay in the honda family. trading in accords to move up to the tlx.

but i can't imagine anyone picking this over a is350 or the upcoming is500 if they want a Japanese car.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

seems like they missed the mark. car looks nice though. i'd imagine most buyers will be people who got a pay raise and want to stay in the honda family. trading in accords to move up to the tlx.

but i can't imagine anyone picking this over a is350 or the upcoming is500 if they want a Japanese car.

The IS is still ancient inside isn't it?

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

The IS is still ancient inside isn't it?

Inside and out (even with the redesign). I would take the new TLX over the IS any day.

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

The IS is still ancient inside isn't it?

true. but its rwd. and they will have a is500 v8 model that'll be coming out. i haven't driven recent one but their trans can't be as bad as the tlx.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

true. but its rwd. and they will have a is500 v8 model that'll be coming out. i haven't driven recent one but their trans can't be as bad as the tlx.

The transmission is the biggest problem with the IS! And there is zero guarantee that the IS 500 or whatever they call it will ever see the light of day (I'll believe it when I see it - and even if they do, it's not going to compete with even the Type-S variant of the TLX...think RCF type money).

[syd34]

Originally Posted by RMachuca3d

heres a review of the new 2021 tlx aspec shawd, but the 4cyl version, as expected dynamically its not very good.

For arguments sake, the RWD CT4 V series makes 325hp and 380 tq, with a base price of 45k. Comes standard with RWD and LSD, which to me makes it already a better performance sedan out of the box.

I really like most StraightPipes reviews as the guys do a great job. But I felt Yuri's opinions were harsh about the TLX.

If you watch TheTopher's review of the TLX, you wonder if him and Yuri are talking about the same car (one loves the 10-spd transmission and one hates it).

Yuri/Jakob even commented about why Acura didn't use the ZF-8 speed instead. I am surprised he didn't know that it cannot be used with transverse mounted engines like that on the TLX.

I had to watch AlexOnAutos for a more factual review.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by syd34

I really like most StraightPipes reviews as the guys do a great job. But I felt Yuri's opinions were harsh about the TLX.

If you watch TheTopher's review of the TLX, you wonder if him and Yuri are talking about the same car (one loves the 10-spd transmission and one hates it).

Yuri/Jakob even commented about why Acura didn't use the ZF-8 speed instead. I am surprised he didn't know that it cannot be used with transverse mounted engines like that on the TLX.

I had to watch AlexOnAutos for a more factual review.

It's an opinion, harsh or otherwise, it's still an opinion. Alex on autos seemed to feel a little underwhelmed as well although he gave it decent grades and concluded that it was "still fun". For such a hyped brand new model, I would have expected seeing more "wow" type reviews but I hear a lot of "I'm conflicted with my feelings on this vehicle".

[syd34]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

It's an opinion, harsh or otherwise, it's still an opinion. Alex on autos seemed to feel a little underwhelmed as well although he gave it decent grades and concluded that it was "still fun". For such a hyped brand new model, I would have expected seeing more "wow" type reviews but I hear a lot of "I'm conflicted with my feelings on this vehicle".

Yes, good point. Alex's issue was the weight of the new TLX and the fact that the TLX is sized like a 5 series on the outside but has similar dimensions to the 3 series on the inside.

Maybe the Type S may have better reviews once it is released.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by syd34

Yes, good point. Alex's issue was the weight of the new TLX and the fact that the TLX is sized like a 5 series on the outside but has similar dimensions to the 3 series on the inside.

Maybe the Type S may have better reviews once it is released.

Exactly. It's too big force what you get inside, it's too heavy for its segment, it's fwd based which sucks regardless of sh-awd, and (in my opinion) they ruined the the beautiful concept design from the c pillar back.

The Type-S will give it more power but it's too bad that it will still ride on a fwd architecture, shitty slow 10 spd tranny, and will probably be even heavier.

[RMachuca3d]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Not a fan of them and rarely watch them for driving impressions, they tend to talk a bit too much about the tech and Yuri goes off on the most random tidbits and tend to gloss over important parts about driving dynamics. Of the Canadian duo's, I much prefer Throttle House.

Which is why i enjoy watching pov of videos, you get a better sense of driving dynamics, and i've seen a few of the acura TLX, the first impression you get is terminal understeer at all speeds, zero "sporty" handling, made worse by the choice of all season tires it comes with from the factory, add to that 4000 lbs of car and its a recipe for "meh". I'd argue the previous gen TLX handles better than the new one.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by RMachuca3d

heres a review of the new 2021 tlx aspec shawd, but the 4cyl version, as expected dynamically its not very good.

For arguments sake, the RWD CT4 V series makes 325hp and 380 tq, with a base price of 45k. Comes standard with RWD and LSD, which to me makes it already a better performance sedan out of the box.

I'm generally critical of these guys for being way too generous in their reviews, to the point it feels like they are paid off by manufacturers for always saying nice things.

They earned a little more respect in my book for this review of the TLX. Its really been marketed hard as a "sport" sedan but I get the impression it's more fluff than substance (it is FWD and heavy after all). That grille still looks weird and the interior looks cheesy and cheap in real life vids.

[Cyberdemon]

My first purchase as an adult was a '08 TL Type-S 6MT and it was a great daily driver. It's not comparable as a "Sport" sedan but most people on a forum like this skew heavily to the enthusiast more than the average Acura buyer.

The old TL-S was FWD but it looked great, sounded great, super ride quality, and had a very nice interior (nicer than the E90 I'm in right now I'd say, except for the infotainment which is always behind the time) and wasn't bad pushing at 7/10ths. Once you got past that point, the standard all seasons would break loose an understeer like a motherfucker.

I suspect the new car will be very similar. Nice design language (interested to see this in the flesh), high quality stereo, and if it handles reasonably well at 7/10ths I think it'll probably be a much nicer balance for a car that biases more towards the comfort end of the spectrum.

I can't stand the way the G20 3 series looks, so if I were looking for a more civil daily I might seriously consider the type S once those reviews start to show up.

[David70]

Originally Posted by Cyberdemon

My first purchase as an adult was a '08 TL Type-S 6MT and it was a great daily driver. It's not comparable as a "Sport" sedan but most people on a forum like this skew heavily to the enthusiast more than the average Acura buyer.

The old TL-S was FWD but it looked great, sounded great, super ride quality, and had a very nice interior (nicer than the E90 I'm in right now I'd say, except for the infotainment which is always behind the time) and wasn't bad pushing at 7/10ths. Once you got past that point, the standard all seasons would break loose an understeer like a motherfucker.

I suspect the new car will be very similar. Nice design language (interested to see this in the flesh), high quality stereo, and if it handles reasonably well at 7/10ths I think it'll probably be a much nicer balance for a car that biases more towards the comfort end of the spectrum.

I can't stand the way the G20 3 series looks, so if I were looking for a more civil daily I might seriously consider the type S once those reviews start to show up.

I agree. My wife drives an Acura TSX (and then I drive it pretty often) and I could see people liking this car. "Sporty" for how they actually drive (not at the limit), likely reliable, has all the features, good resale, doesn't look bad. As you said for ultimate performance there are better options.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Alex On Autos reinforced my fear that Acura is overpricing this vehicle.

[Mingwan]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Not a fan of them and rarely watch them for driving impressions, they tend to talk a bit too much about the tech and Yuri goes off on the most random tidbits and tend to gloss over important parts about driving dynamics. Of the Canadian duo's, I much prefer Throttle House.

I personally prefer Straight Pipes over Throttle House. Their visor test is a very critical component for me in my vehicle purchasing decisions. Whenever I go to a dealership and the car I’m test driving happens to not pass the visor test I flip out at the salesman for wasting my time and storm out the dealership

[Mason Hatcher]

Originally Posted by Mingwan

I personally prefer Straight Pipes over Throttle House. Their visor test is a very critical component for me in my vehicle purchasing decisions. Whenever I go to a dealership and the car I’m test driving happens to not pass the visor test I flip out at the salesman for wasting my time and storm out the dealership

Does that make you edgy?