[Dr.Deep]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Daaan

I hear you . . . there are certain things that I simply cannot look past, e.g., G80/G82 front grille and fact they are simply HUGE.

That said, I do not find the headlights and taillights to be that off-putting. . . although I will admit I do like the F87 headlights better than what I am seeing on the current pics of the 2-series.

As far as size and weight goes, I realize there are regulatory challenges all manufacturers face . . . however, modern cars do not have to be bigger and, hence, heavier.

BMW could most assuredly meet all the 'requirements' without making all of their chassis so large/heavy. I mean, my 718 CGTS tics all the regulation boxes and Porsche has not had to make it into a small tank to do so.

At any rate, as you also state, BMW appears to represent a one-way street these days and they would much rather build bigger engines to motor their small tanks than to build smaller chassis.

Honestly, the F87 has reached my size/weight threshold when it comes to interest in BMW offerings. The ONE thing BMW can do to have me completely abandon interest in their brand is add a couple hundred more pounds to the G87.

///AVM

Nice writeup, thanks

Completely agree with you about G80/82, after all times I've seen this grill, I still think wtf were they thinking with those kidneys....
And I think I could also live with the frontlights, not that bad, but what I've seen so far from the rears, this could be a „no-go" for me, but tastes are different

And yes, Porsche is doing a good job there, but as you say, BMW seems to go an other direction here, compensating the weight with power, sadly...

Otherwise, my BMW interest is basicslly same as yours, I love my M2 and after seeing all the leaks / new releases, the only car I'm waiting to see is the next M2, everything else is not my taste anymore unfortunately...and if same happens with the next M2...I finally will switch to an 718 GT4
(You already did a move to P as I see )

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Daaan

Otherwise, my BMW interest is basically same as yours, I love my M2 and after seeing all the leaks / new releases, the only car I'm waiting to see is the next M2, everything else is not my taste anymore unfortunately...and if same happens with the next M2...I finally will switch to an 718 GT4 (You already did a move to P as I see )

Daaan

For me, it is not a Porsche or BMW. My M2C and 718 CGTS are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT cars. If they were not, I would not own both.

I do not want BMW to build a Porsche sport car. I just want BMW to build what we all came to love with their sporty sedans/coupes.

The G87 M2/M2C might be the end of the road when it comes to my BMW interests . . . if not the F87?

We shall see.

///AVM

[Ragged Edge]

Originally Posted by Daaan

I'm always wondering that people expect new car generations to become lighter, these times are gone long time ago.
We won't see any new cars that will be lighter than the previous generation (except for supercars, but even they get heavier), just because of all the tech / luxury people expect to have and all the safety things that have to go into them, this is why the cars are getting bigger and bigger, not because the manufacturer wants to give you more space (which also almost never happens, even if cars get bigger), but because they have to incorporate all the tech & safety features....this costs space and weight...

Agreed to a point. But that was not the case for the F80/82. It was built to larger dimensions (width and length), more luxurious, more tech, and it weighed less than the previous E90/92. So, while generally your statement is true for the ordinary car and the historic cars pre modern safety standards, it cannot be said for recent modern cars as they have shown with the F80. There is room for CAD to remove areas of un-necessary weight while improving strength. Material science is improving at a rapid pace too.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Daaan

For me, it is not a Porsche or BMW. My M2C and 718CGTS are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT cars. If they were not, I would not own both.

I do not want BMW to build a Porsche sport car. I just want BMW to build what we all came to love with their sporty sedans/coupes.

The G87 M2/M2C might be the end of the road when it comes to my BMW interests . . . if not the F87? We shall see.

///AVM

I bought my last German built M

A Mexican M Car is not something I can wrap my head around

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

I bought my last German built M

A Mexican M Car is not something I can wrap my head around

///M

I will await the G87 before drawing similar conclusion.

That said, it's not about the country of origin, rather, the product that will dictate my remaining interest in BMW offerings.

///AVM

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

///M

I will await the G87 before drawing similar conclusion.

That said, it's not about the country of origin, rather, the product that will dictate my remaining interest in BMW offerings.

///AVM

Just take a look at the horrific headlights of the incoming 2er

Many besides yourself take great pride driving a M Car built in Germany

[SW19]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Just take a look at the horrific headlights of the incoming 2er

Many besides yourself take great pride driving a M Car built in Germany

I’m still hoping that the Autocar article is correct and there will still be some G87 M2 production at the Leipzig plant.


https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...-junior-m-line

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

I’m still hoping that the Autocar article is correct and there will still be some G87 M2 production at the Leipzig plant.


https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...-junior-m-line

I highly doubt they will ship any to North America

Thanks for posting that link

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Tag

The bumper design is always different depending on the model line. I wouldn't get too hung up on the lower part of the bumper, most importantly it doesn't have that fugly giant unbecoming grille. Let's chalk this up as a design win. Hopefully the giant grille doesn't carry over to the new G87, that would be asinine.

But it doesn’t even have the quad headlight design! I had high hopes for the G87, but I don’t want a car that’s missing quintessential BMW characteristics.

If they went the direction of the CSL concept car, it would be awesome.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Just take a look at the horrific headlights of the incoming 2er

Many besides yourself take great pride driving a M Car built in Germany

And what are those effing triangle things on the bumper?

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

///M

I will await the G87 before drawing similar conclusion.

That said, it's not about the country of origin, rather, the product that will dictate my remaining interest in BMW offerings.

///AVM

Yep, the headlight and taillight looks so uninspiring, I'm going to miss the signature corona rings, lower-case L-shaped taillights and code-able rear fog lights for the tailgaters (eliminated on G-models)..

I'm already at the 'acceptance stage' that the next M2 will be assembled in Mexico. So unless I rob a bank and get me a TT Porsche, the G87 will be the only segment of vehicles with a manual transmission option, so it's what it is..

[SW19]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

I highly doubt they will ship any to North America

Thanks for posting that link

You are probably right.I was planning on doing ED for the first time if that was the only way of getting a German built G87 but BMW has cancelled the European Delivery program for the US and Canada.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

And what are those effing triangle things on the bumper?

Leftovers from the X2 I'm guessing

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

You are probably right.I was planning on doing ED for the first time if that was the only way of getting a German built G87 but BMW has cancelled the European Delivery program for the US and Canada.

I was thinking and planning the same

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Poochie

. . I'm going to miss the signature . . .

Poochie

That gets to the heart of the matter when it comes to BMW these days. . . change for the sake of change is their modus operandi.

The words 'iconic' and 'signature' and 'enthusiast' mean nothing to the suits sitting in the current BMW boardroom.

It's as though they are trying to destroy the entire BMW identity. . . and they are succeeding.

///AVM

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Poochie

That gets to the heart of the matter when it comes to BMW these days. . . change for the sake of change is their modus operandi.

The words 'iconic' and 'signature' and 'enthusiast' mean nothing to the suits sitting in the current BMW boardroom.

It's as though they are trying to destroy the entire BMW identity. . . and they are succeeding.

///AVM

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[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Poochie

That gets to the heart of the matter when it comes to BMW these days. . . change for the sake of change is their modus operandi.

The words 'iconic' and 'signature' and 'enthusiast' mean nothing to the suits sitting in the current BMW boardroom.

It's as though they are trying to destroy the entire BMW identity. . . and they are succeeding.

///AVM

We can thank our lord and savior Domagoj Dukec for that

[emulajavi]

Hood line AGAIN

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by JackB316

This design makes the G22 look gorgeous

G22 is still the most horrid BMW design of the 21st century, on par with that god-awful Pontiac Aztec looking 5 series abomination they use to make.

[BimmerVinyl]

Originally Posted by EXE46

G22 is still the most horrid BMW design of the 21st century, on par with that god-awful Pontiac Aztec looking 5 series abomination they use to make.

Little overdramatized.. apart from the grill it's an otherwise decent looking car

[Tru Vic3]

Originally Posted by M3ZCPNYC

Lexus?

Originally Posted by M3ZCPNYC

Lexus?

Lmao.. I said this about the G20 taillights.. Seemed a bit RC—ish

[buckybadger]

M2C is the only car I will re-consider to buy for fun.

If they mess up the M2C then I'm done with BMW.

X5 is also a great family car, but of course it doesn't come close to the feel of a M2C. (It's a different beast).