[skierman64]

Originally Posted by limited_slip

That is the most embrassing thing ever--being taken down because of a bird


Newsreporter: "Sir, why did you crash and burn your multi-million dollar aircraft? Did you get shot down from an aerial engagement with a MIG or did you get shot down by a SAM missile?

Pilot: umm...I suck. actually, a 1lb bird took my plane down.

Your ignorance on the subject of aviation is quite evident.

[TSM330i]

Originally Posted by limited_slip

Instead of crashing jets at air shows and in people houses, why don't the navy patrol the coast off the horn of africa to combat somalia's pirates?

Man...our US Navy sucks and they need to do their job. Thier job is to patrol's the world ocean and secure vital sea lanes and NOT bomb/crash their jets into cilivian houses.

America is the greatest country in the world. We have the best military and the best pilots as well. We would all just like to say "thank you" to the military and let them do their job.

Limited - this country is so great, you're allowed to LEAVE any time you like.
Here's the quote from the victim, maybe you should learn from him and not be such an jerk:
A Korean immigrant whose family was killed when an F-18 crashed into his house returned home to survey the rubble and said he doesn't blame the military pilot who survived the accident.

Dong Yun Yoon, 37, lost his wife, two baby daughters and mother-in-law after a Marine Corps fighter plane clipped a tree and plummeted into houses about two miles from base. The pilot safely ejected and was rescued hanging by his parachute from a tree.

"I pray for him not to suffer for this action," Yoon said at a news conference, according to The Los Angeles Times. "I know he's one of our treasures for our country."

Several houses caught fire. Two homes were incinerated in the crash and three others were damaged.

The family's pastor, the Rev. Kevin Lee of the Korean United Methodist Church in San Diego, identified three of the victims as Young Mi Yoon, 36; her 2-month-old daughter, Rachel; and her mother, Suk Im Kim, 60,who was visiting from South Korea to help care for her daughter's newborn.

The body of 15-month-old Grace Yoon, Rachel's sister, was found in the home Tuesday, Fire Department spokesman Maurice Luque said. No one else remained missing.

"I believe my wife and two babies and mother-in-law are in heaven with God," said Yoon.

The San Diego County medical examiner's office has not officially released the names of the victims.

The pilot was taken to a naval hospital in stable condition. Miramar officials declined to say whether he remained hospitalized, but witnesses said he appeared unhurt.

"I don't have any hard feelings," Yoon told reporters near the ruins where his home once stood and three generations of his family died. "I know he did everything he could."

Yoon, who left Korea in 1989 and became a U.S. citizen, wondered aloud how he would persevere after losing his family.

"Please tell me how to do it," he said, surrounded by his pastor, sister, brother and church members. "I don't know what to do."

Meanwhile, a high-ranking congressman called on the Marine Corps Tuesday to release the maintenance records of all fighter jets of the type that lost power and crashed into the San Diego neighborhood.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, the ranking Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, said the fiery crash Monday of the F/A-18D Hornet fighter as it approached Marine Corps Air Station Miramar was apparently caused by power failure.

"My understanding ... is that the engines failed, causing the aircraft to lose thrust," said Hunter spokesman Joe Kasper.

The crash was probably unrelated to the previous discovery of cracks in hinges on the wings of more than a dozen of the $57 million aircraft, the San Diego-area congressman said.

"It is important that we gain a complete understanding of what went wrong," Hunter said in a statement.

Marine Cpl. Travis Easter said officials at Miramar had no immediate response to the request for maintenance records.

The Navy announced last month that it was grounding 10 of the planes and limiting the flights of 20 others because of the cracks. It was not immediately clear whether the plane that crashed in San Diego was under any flight restrictions.

Neighbors said the family of Korean immigrants had moved into the area about three months ago.

Resident Choko McConnell, 85, a widow who lives down the street, said she often saw the grandmother pushing a child in a stroller.

"I cried all night," McConnell said. "A family perished, a young family."

[FStop7]

Originally Posted by skierman64

Your ignorance on the subject of aviation is quite evident.

You could have skipped the "on the subject of aviation" part and still have been correct.

limited_intelligence is either a fantastic troll or a blithering idiot.

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by limited_slip

how come the pilot didnt apologize for his mistake?

Does he have too much pride or is his ego that big to say "sorry?"

According to Union-Tribune article I read last week, the pilot has asked to meet with the father/husband Mr. Yoon, but Mr. Yoon wanted to wait until after the funerals.

[eagletangogreen]

I had a Navy F-18 save my teams ass and I a couple of rotations ago..

They can crash their planes all day long in my back yard!

[Kalin]

Originally Posted by limited_slip

True. we need look the the forensic data and analysis the military version of the black box. How do we know that the 2nd engine died? Based on my research (janes' defence) it is highly impossible that the Boeing F/A-18 (inclduing the super hornet) would have a dual engine failure. One engine failure is likely but not two.

You're right! The men and women of the U.S. military have no relevance in this day and age and should relegate themselves to supranational authorities such as the U.N. There's no need for selfless citizens to answer the call of duty to protect the Constitutional right of free speech so that anyone can acquire loose credit, buy a BMW, then post ignorant (and grammatically deficient) comments. Or skip #1 and 2, but feel compelled to do #3. By all means, fuse your expert knowledge gleamed from interweb resources and enlighten these warmongers! It's literally the least we can do!

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by Kalin

You're right! The men and women of the U.S. military have no relevance in this day and age and should relegate themselves to supranational authorities such as the U.N. There's no need for selfless citizens to answer the call of duty to protect the Constitutional right of free speech so that anyone can acquire loose credit, buy a BMW, then post ignorant (and grammatically deficient) comments. Or skip #1 and 2, but feel compelled to do #3. By all means, fuse your expert knowledge gleamed from interweb resources and enlighten these warmongers! It's literally the least we can do!

[darkphantom]

dude this thread turned vicious...

[Wake27]

Originally Posted by limited_slip

Instead of crashing jets at air shows and in people houses, why don't the navy patrol the coast off the horn of africa to combat somalia's pirates?

Man...our US Navy sucks and they need to do their job. Thier job is to patrol's the world ocean and secure vital sea lanes and NOT bomb/crash their jets into cilivian houses.

You're a fucking idiot. I stopped reading after this post to respond, but hopefully someone already has. First of all, it takes more than some n00b saying they should go blow shit up off Africa for them to do it. Second of all, you really make yourself sound stupid when you say our Navy sucks.



- Suck on that motherfucker.

Third: bomb, really?

Fourth: I didn't actually see the jet fly over the press conference but, holy shit, it for sure was not a threat. There's a good possibility that it was a salute to his family, recognizing their tragic loss of life. There's an even better chance that, if not that, a jet would fly over his house because its right by a god damn Marine Corps air station. They fly jets around those things sometimes.

[bmstyle71]

Originally Posted by limited_slip

That is the most embrassing thing ever--being taken down because of a bird


Newsreporter: "Sir, why did you crash and burn your multi-million dollar aircraft? Did you get shot down from an aerial engagement with a MIG or did you get shot down by a SAM missile?

Pilot: umm...I suck. actually, a 1lb bird took my plane down.

What?.......What if a one pound bird goes through your windshield and hits you in the face and breaks your face..what are you going to tell the doctor? A 1 lb bird broke my face?

[FStop7]

Haha, now i'm sure that limited_slip is fucking with us. Like I said - either an excellent troll or a complete moron. looks like it was the former and not the latter.

[FStop7]

Originally Posted by Wake27

You're a fucking idiot. I stopped reading after this post to respond, but hopefully someone already has. First of all, it takes more than some n00b saying they should go blow shit up off Africa for them to do it. Second of all, you really make yourself sound stupid when you say our Navy sucks.



- Suck on that motherfucker.

Third: bomb, really?

Fourth: I didn't actually see the jet fly over the press conference but, holy shit, it for sure was not a threat. There's a good possibility that it was a salute to his family, recognizing their tragic loss of life. There's an even better chance that, if not that, a jet would fly over his house because its right by a god damn Marine Corps air station. They fly jets around those things sometimes.

The guy is just trying to pull your chain, the more he posts the clearer it is he's just trying to get a rise out of people.

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by limited_slip

this is not top gun people!

No, Top Gun used F-14s

[Wake27]

Originally Posted by FStop7

The guy is just trying to pull your chain, the more he posts the clearer it is he's just trying to get a rise out of people.

I hope so. I'd rather him be that lame than that ignorant.

Originally Posted by skierman64

No, Top Gun used F-14s

Haha was waiting on that one...

[Kbueno]

Originally Posted by skierman64

Have you ever flown a real aircraft? You don't try something new (a very steep approach) that you've never practiced, during an actual emergency. In addition, the type of approach that would have allowed him to glide to a landing would have to be very, very steep, not just a little steeper than normal.

He missed the open area by 70 yards, which isn't that far when you're traveling 150 mph. Also note, once he lost his second engine, he no longer had any electronics (which run his instrumentation) or hydraulics (which operate his flight controls).

Originally Posted by ferrari355fi

And a dual engine failure would cause complete loss of control, right? hmmmmmm, let's think this one through. Oh golly gee, I just have to spill the beans on this one. Perhaps that is what happen!!! Ok, now say it with me, "ooooooh, you're right. That might have happened. Maybe that is why this tragic accident happened."

Guys, there's a streamer backup pump, but I'm sure he had no time to get it going. And actually, in an emergency where other innocent lives are at stake, pilots often deviate from the norm with disregard to their own lives.

This is all conjecture, regardless. It's a tragic accident, but people do make mistakes. To simply dismiss it, without trying to investigate and learn from it is utter nonsense.

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by 335lvr

To simply dismiss it, without trying to investigate and learn from it is utter nonsense.

We'll eventually hear what happened. The investigation will take 3-6 months if not longer before the word gets out.

Military aviation is very good about learning from previous incidents and adjusting procedures for the future.

[richeerich03]

Originally Posted by limited_slip

Why did a US NAVY jet wanted to land at a US Marine Airfield?

Dont the navy have enough money to buy/built their own airfields? For $800 billions dollars a year budget our military is pretty pathetic.

The pilot should of landed on the aircraft carrier (where he belongs). If he crashed his jet then nothing will come out of it. He put cilivian life at risk by trying to be a hero and landing a defective/faulty jet next to a residential neighborhood.

This could all be prevented if he landed on the carrier. The f-18 has two engines and are design to be able to fly with just one.

What is so hard about landing on an aircraft carrier? I do this all the time with MS Flight Simulator. It is easy people!

Wow, your an idiot...

Originally Posted by 335lvr

Guys, there's a streamer backup pump, but I'm sure he had no time to get it going. And actually, in an emergency where other innocent lives are at stake, pilots often deviate from the norm with disregard to their own lives.

This is all conjecture, regardless. It's a tragic accident, but people do make mistakes. To simply dismiss it, without trying to investigate and learn from it is utter nonsense.

I am a former 18 mechanic and I have never heard of a back up steamer pump. Are you talking about the APU (auxiliary power unit)?

[Kbueno]

Originally Posted by richeerich03

Wow, your an idiot...




I am a former 18 mechanic and I have never heard of a back up steamer pump. Are you talking about the APU (auxiliary power unit)?

Sounds like you would know better than me...but there is redundancy in the flight controls ...no?

"System redundancy is provided by using primary and backup hydraulic power and either two or four channel FCS control over the flight control functions."

I'm thinking there was no time since he was on final...just a chance to aim for the field and eject.

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by skierman64

No, Top Gun used F-14s

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by limited_slip

guys a military 15-6 investigation should be able to finish this investigation real quick. The pilot should receive an article-15 for his inappropriate actions.

I still don't believe the pilot lost both engines. the pratt and whitney engine is extremely reliable and has a MTBR of 60,000hrs. additionally, if both engine fails the pilot should be able to glide his plane to safety.

Heck, the space shuttle upon re-entry glides to the FL or Edwards AFB without any propulsion system.

aerodynamics is aerodynamics. Unless a plane is purely "fly by wire" any plane/jet/bomber/airliner will be able to glide to earth in any event of any power failure.

the pilot is a newb and should be banned from flying until he behaves himself. He should stick to the simulators from now on

How long did it take you to research all of that info for this post? I'll bet you didn't know any of that shit before you made any of your ignorant posts.

[TK-421]

limited_slip is a troll for those who still don't know.

Proof:

Thread titled "cocaine", the first post is by the OP

Originally Posted by samwoo2go

what's with this stuff? anyone know where to get it? PM me.

Originally Posted by limited_slip

do it! You will like it so much that you will be addicted. You will be so much into debt supporting your habbit that even you will get so desperate that you will even suck c*ock for crack.

Originally Posted by Crimson92

youve been there?

Originally Posted by limited_slip

yes...when I was a pilot for the US Navy. I was crashing jets on purpose just to get some insurance $$$

jk

[darkphantom]

Originally Posted by limited_slip

Yeah...the F-14 sucks anyway. It sucks so much that the Iranian are even flying it.

what the hell does that mean??

F-14s were amazing long-range interceptors....they were just too costly to upkeep....the Phoenix54 missile was one of the longest ranged missiles....just very expensive...not to mention the plane is decades old....still, one of the best fighters in history...

What does iran have to do with sucking and flying F-14s?? -_-


Anyhow.....I'll just pray for those lost in this tragic accident.