[SpacE82]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

http://twitter.com/jonrothstein

Same thing here.

I wouldn't jump the gun just yet. All these guys have insiders for a reason. Info is leaked purposely. It's probably someone from Toronto trying to drive up Sign & Trade interest from other teams. It is a way to get better offers.

At least that's my take.

I agree. We will not know anything until tomorrow..until then, everything we say is all not true. Tomorrow, once its officially released as to where they are signing, THEN we can have serious discussions. But right now, its all hear say and rumors. And with the way things go in sports, Bosh, Wade, and Lebron could start their own team and play all the other NBA teams 3 on 5...and it wouldnt be a surprise..tomorrow should be interesting/exciting.

[ben14142001]

^ Agree. They said 3 days ago that LeBron and Bosh to Chicago was a done deal. I'll wait and see.

[1ForAll]

Bosh = MIAMI

http://www.thestar.com/sports/basket...-to-miami-heat

[roozie2001]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Kinda correct. The max they can make for the first year, after that it gets progressively higher. By his 3rd, 4th, or 5th year, he'll make 20 million a year.

Yah but were talking about free agent SIGNINGS not what theyre making in year 4. There probably wont even be a year 4. All those guys are gonna have a 3rd year player option anyway so after the 10 yr mark they can opt out and get a max deal again.

Originally Posted by OC 335i;7585028The owner is rich, he hasn't had time to prove he's a great owner by any means.

Avery Johnson is a good coach, not a great coach. Devin Harris and Brook Lopez are good solid players, not great. You throw around the word great a lot.

When your worth $18 Billion you dont need time to prove yourself. The guy is a playboy. He goes around in a private jet with super models. You might think who cares, but to a 25 yr old kid. They care.
Avery Johnson has got a .735 winning percentage. He took his team to the Finals. Didnt win but he got there. And its not like he did this for 1 yr then it was all down hill. He did it over almost 4 seasons and then called it quits. Theres alot of coaches that are good whos winning percentages dont even come close to that.
You gotta remember this. Both harris and lopez are young. Harris was 16.6 pts and 6 assists this year, but he also average 21 and 7 last year. Brooks lopez in only his 2nd year average almost 19 and 9 rebounds. Thats pretty impressive. Among Centers he was 2nd in Scoring, 6th in blocks, 10th in rebounds, 3rd in free throw pctg. and 2nd in minutes played which means hes durable. That doesnt impress you for a 2nd year player? Add in his 7ft 270 lbs frame. I think thats a great core. If they get 2 max deal guys a PF like (Bosh, boozer, david lee, amare, etc) and Lebron or Joe Johnson type of 2. They got a solid team. Just my $0.02 i guess

[choicez]

Here's a list of notable free agents:


Joe Johnson
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Nate Robinson
Lebron James
Dirk Nowitzki
Earl Watson
Steve Blake
Rasual Butler
Drew Gooden
Travis Outlaw
Jordan Farmar
Shannon Brown
Derek Fisher
Udonis Haslem
Shaquille O'Neal
Dwayne Wade
Luke Ridnour
Jermaine O'Neal
Darko Milicic
Chris Duhon
Al Harrington
Eddie House
David Lee
Tracy McGrady
Matt Barnes
Allen Iverson
Louis Amundson
Amare Stoudemire
Matt Bonner
Roger Mason
Chris Bosh
Carlos Boozer
Kyle Korver
Josh Howard
Randy Foye
Mike Miller

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by roozie2001

Yah but were talking about free agent SIGNINGS not what theyre making in year 4. There probably wont even be a year 4. All those guys are gonna have a 3rd year player option anyway so after the 10 yr mark they can opt out and get a max deal again.

Those numbers count to me. They will matter in the future.

When your worth $18 Billion you dont need time to prove yourself. The guy is a playboy. He goes around in a private jet with super models. You might think who cares, but to a 25 yr old kid. They care.

Winning matters, he's not proven (Yet).

Avery Johnson has got a .735 winning percentage. He took his team to the Finals. Didnt win but he got there. And its not like he did this for 1 yr then it was all down hill. He did it over almost 4 seasons and then called it quits. Theres alot of coaches that are good whos winning percentages dont even come close to that.

He was fired. He took over an already good team with a similar winning percentage. He is known as a micro manager.

You gotta remember this. Both harris and lopez are young. Harris was 16.6 pts and 6 assists this year, but he also average 21 and 7 last year. Brooks lopez in only his 2nd year average almost 19 and 9 rebounds. Thats pretty impressive. Among Centers he was 2nd in Scoring, 6th in blocks, 10th in rebounds, 3rd in free throw pctg. and 2nd in minutes played which means hes durable. That doesnt impress you for a 2nd year player? Add in his 7ft 270 lbs frame. I think thats a great core. If they get 2 max deal guys a PF like (Bosh, boozer, david lee, amare, etc) and Lebron or Joe Johnson type of 2. They got a solid team. Just my $0.02 i guess

Empty numbers when your team finishes as poorly as they did. They are good players, I never said that, but great? Sorry, I don't consider very many players great. Great are the best players at their positions.

[roozie2001]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Those numbers count to me. They will matter in the future.



Winning matters, he's not proven (Yet).



He was fired. He took over an already good team with a similar winning percentage. He is known as a micro manager.



Empty numbers when your team finishes as poorly as they did. They are good players, I never said that, but great? Sorry, I don't consider very many players great. Great are the best players at their positions.

i guess you and i completely disagree then. Im not even a nets fan, but in 3 years with or without Lebron the nets will be contenders again. Note it!

[Couch]

Regardless of where Lebron goes, the Nets new owner and Jay-Z win hands down in the campaign. Putting a billboard in new york is epic. And the sales pitch is pretty damn good.

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by roozie2001

i guess you and i completely disagree then. Im not even a nets fan, but in 3 years with or without Lebron the nets will be contenders again. Note it!

Playoff contenders or championship?

[Kensta335]

Wow, the Hawks are going to sign Joe Johnson to a max contract. That's some fail right there. He's not worth $119mm for 6 years. I says around 75-80mm max.

[FStop7]

Phil Jackson, the Lakers most important free agent, is coming back one last time. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck yesssssssssss.

[roozie2001]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Playoff contenders or championship?

depends on alot of things. Playoff contedor for sure. But it depends on the development of Lopez and Favors. Those guys can be one of the best front court duos in the NBA if they hit their ceiling. They both of the size and skill but will they progress and develop. It depends if they use that 30 million to get 1 big name and bolster their bench. If they do then in 3 yrs when the lakers are on their last legs (Which im a lakers fan) then these guys may have a big chance. My prediction. Remember the nets are not a horrible organization like the clippers, twolves, etc.

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by roozie2001

depends on alot of things. Playoff contedor for sure. But it depends on the development of Lopez and Favors. Those guys can be one of the best front court duos in the NBA if they hit their ceiling. They both of the size and skill but will they progress and develop. It depends if they use that 30 million to get 1 big name and bolster their bench. If they do then in 3 yrs when the lakers are on their last legs (Which im a lakers fan) then these guys may have a big chance. My prediction. Remember the nets are not a horrible organization like the clippers, twolves, etc.

Favors is not a guaranteed star although he has potential. I think you are overrating Lopez. Good player, not great. Then again, I only use great with a potential HOFer.

They have a lot of competition in the East and don't have playoff experience. Big thing IMO. I don't see them getting past the Magic or Celtics with one major piece. We'll see what they do this off-season, it'll be an interesting, no doubt!

[wj4]

Originally Posted by choicez

Here's a list of notable free agents:


Joe Johnson
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Nate Robinson
Lebron James
Dirk Nowitzki
Earl Watson
Steve Blake
Rasual Butler
Drew Gooden
Travis Outlaw
Jordan Farmar
Shannon Brown
Derek Fisher
Udonis Haslem
Shaquille O'Neal
Dwayne Wade
Luke Ridnour
Jermaine O'Neal
Darko Milicic
Chris Duhon
Al Harrington
Eddie House
David Lee
Tracy McGrady
Matt Barnes
Allen Iverson
Louis Amundson
Amare Stoudemire
Matt Bonner
Roger Mason
Chris Bosh
Carlos Boozer
Kyle Korver
Josh Howard
Randy Foye
Mike Miller

Shaq needs to retire and go back to making movies like Kazaam.

Just because the Nets' new owner is a billionaire, that doesn't make him a great NBA owner. He's not the only billionaire owner in the league either.

Looking at the cup of water half full...I'm sure they'll improve because they sure can't get any worse than last year.

I don't see them being anything near the same Nets with Jason Kidd. In several years, I can see them making the first or second round during the Playoffs, but that's about it.

Hopefully the shift levels out in the east because for the last few seasons, the spots for the Playoffs in the west were ridiculously close.

[OC Guy]

Lakers offer Mike Miller 5 years/30 million.

[Kensta335]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Lakers offer Mike Miller 5 years/30 million.

Haha, Lakers are trying to recruit all the guys Kobe had confrontations with. Artest, Raja Bell, and now Mike Miller? Hope he joins though. He would be a solid pick up.

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by Kensta335

Haha, Lakers are trying to recruit all the guys Kobe had confrontations with. Artest, Raja Bell, and now Mike Miller? Hope he joins though. He would be a solid pick up.

Don't forget Matt Barnes.

[BTM]

Looks like Joe Johnson will stay with the Hawks

[choicez]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Lakers offer Mike Miller 5 years/30 million.

That's too many white guys on one Lakers team.

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by choicez

That's too many white guys on one Lakers team.

He's replacing Adam Morrison.

Doh bro.

[Kensta335]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Don't forget Matt Barnes.

Lakers are interested in him too? I have'nt heard anything about it.

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by Kensta335

Lakers are interested in him too? I have'nt heard anything about it.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sport...,7004216.story

Then again, it could just be posturing to get more money from the Magic.