[Conissah]

Originally Posted by 2023G87M2

Does anyone here know how much non fasy charging costs at home to get to 80% in an average kwh battery pack with average electric prices?

We can do some basic math.

Let's run it off the 2023 Chevy Bolt which has a 65kW battery. Let's also assume you're at 10% charge, which means you have 6.5kW stored. 80% of 65 is 55.25kW, a differential of 48.75kW (let's just say 49). A crappy charger will be around 70% efficiency, so to charge that 49kW you will actually use 63.7kW. My average cost per kW is around $0.13, so multiply that by 63.7 and we get $8.28. If we went from 10% to 100% assuming the same 70% efficiency, it would be a 58.5kW differential which would actually consume 76kW and would cost $9.88. These are rough numbers.

HOWEVER, something else to consider is when you actually charge. If it's at peak times, the kW rate is much higher, and if it's in the middle of the night (which is when we charged our EV) it's MUCH lower, sometimes half. We left our EV plugged in almost constantly, and in the car we just set a charge timer so it would only charge between 10pm and 7am.

ALSO something to think about, range degredation due to cold weather. Our EV sat outside, and during the winter we lost ~30% total range just because the battery was cold. In our Bolt that was a reduction from 240 miles down to 170... While ICE vehicles lose some MPG during cold weather, it's nowhere near 30%.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Conissah

We can do some basic math.

Let's run it off the 2023 Chevy Bolt which has a 65kW battery. Let's also assume you're at 10% charge, which means you have 6.5kW stored. 80% of 65 is 55.25kW, a differential of 48.75kW (let's just say 49). A crappy charger will be around 70% efficiency, so to charge that 49kW you will actually use 63.7kW. My average cost per kW is around $0.13, so multiply that by 63.7 and we get $8.28. If we went from 10% to 100% assuming the same 70% efficiency, it would be a 58.5kW differential which would actually consume 76kW and would cost $9.88. These are rough numbers.

HOWEVER, something else to consider is when you actually charge. If it's at peak times, the kW rate is much higher, and if it's in the middle of the night (which is when we charged our EV) it's MUCH lower, sometimes half. We left our EV plugged in almost constantly, and in the car we just set a charge timer so it would only charge between 10pm and 7am.

ALSO something to think about, range degredation due to cold weather. Our EV sat outside, and during the winter we lost ~30% total range just because the battery was cold. In our Bolt that was a reduction from 240 miles down to 170... While ICE vehicles lose some MPG during cold weather, it's nowhere near 30%.

Good point, cold weather is one achilles heel of an EV, 30% loss is massive and causes worry when away from home when it's chilly.

[zx10guy]

And the variation in any MPG between summer and winter is typically due to formulation changes of the fuels delivered to the pump. Not due to ICE operation itself.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I can show you with real data from keeping fuel consumption records on my E90 for hundreds of thousands of miles, wintertime MPG is not statistically discernible from non-winter months.

Winter range is why I did not switch to EV when I was commuting 165 miles a day to my office. With no place to charge at the office building during the day to recover range, no EV back 10 years ago had enough winter range to make the round trip. Most today still don't have enough winter range. If they do, there are numerous ICE for $20K less that make for better commuters.

When your commute is already 1 hour 45 minutes one way, sitting at some Super charger or DC Fast Charger on the trip home for an extra 30 to 45 minutes to regain enough range is a non starter; you just want to get the eff home. Adding 5 minutes twice a week to your commuting time to refuel ICE is completely acceptable. On top of that, you have zero reserve to run errands during the day, meet at a client's site, or even just go to lunch with your work wife.

It's okay, 2035 is coming regardless of your problems apparently...

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by kyriian

It's okay, 2035 is coming regardless of your problems apparently...

the current ev's will probably be so dinosaurian in comparison by then

[mr2t]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

the current ev's will probably be so dinosaurian in comparison by then

Well batteries in current vehicles will all be dead and too expensive to replace. It's also unlikely anything replaces lithium ion.

[M5Rick]

Reading on with this is that EV's won't even become modern classics as all those batteries will-be-dead. EV baby dinasaurs not even reaching maturity There is a solution: don't buy them.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Who said I had any problems? I just added another 200,000 miles on to my E90. Zero range anxiety. 100% reliability and bitchin' to drive. I bet I spent less time maintaining the E90 at its advanced age and mileage than sitting at a charge sucking up juice for 30 mins a day.

Lol.

You have to keep in perspective what some of these guys mean, my friend. They are very pleased with the idea that electric vehicles are being mandated. Not particularly because they are excited with the technology. No, sir. Mostly because human beings were created to worship an authority and some people just worship different types of authority. I think you get my meaning.

[KRS_SN]

https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/...e-pushing-back

Italian Minister for Transport Matteo Salvini has called the new law economic “suicide” for the EU. He said it was “ideological fundamentalism” that would benefit China and harm the European car industry.

[M5Rick]

Instead of UK, Brit drivers should put EU FU on their cars.

[KRS_SN]

FCUK got there first...

https://www.current-news.co.uk/ice-b...en-point-plan/

[BGM-M3COMP]

“Tesla has transformed the market with brilliant electric cars. As others race to catch up, it’s an important signal to the market that the UK will no longer welcome dirty diesels and petrol cars from 2030".


he he he.

[pikkagtr]

Off peak charging rates is a thing NOW
When EVs become a larger part of the market say 2035
If 50% of the new cars are EV, the electric companies will know they got you by the short hairs
They can change their rates to maximize profit
For a normal Household, they can track usage based on load
Not charging a 100kwhr battery is one price
Charge your EV and put load on the circuit, a different higher price
Imagine paying more to charge your EV than paying for gas would be a reality soon in the future

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

FCUK got there first...

https://www.current-news.co.uk/ice-b...en-point-plan/

The fat pos at the time only brought it in b/c his greenie wifey told him she would divorce him if he didn't
Old news that and the EU is on borrowed time with it's over the top rulings.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

“Tesla has transformed the market with brilliant electric cars. As others race to catch up, it’s an important signal to the market that the UK will no longer welcome dirty diesels and petrol cars from 2030".


he he he.

I guess they will just have to fire up a few dozen more coal fired power plants to help charge all these mandatory electric vehicles.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The fat pos at the time only brought it in b/c his greenie wifey told him she would divorce him if he didn't
Old news that and the EU is on borrowed time with it's over the top rulings.

The guys got plenty of ex wife's plenty of kids and preaches to folk about green. I can think of another middle aged podgy dude who is similar and wants to save the world.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

The guys got plenty of ex wife's plenty of kids and preaches to folk about green. I can think of another middle aged podgy dude who is similar and wants to save the world.

KS will be doing the middle classes no favours like this present lot.

Here's another problem of many the gov. hasn't thought of.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/2152...electric-cars/

[Murf the Surf]

Why do I get the feeling that the whole EV thing just isn't ready for Prime Time. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...-dover-calais/

[M5Rick]

^ The well known term of 'sh*t show' is evident with our clueless leaders and the blinkers will have to come down soon.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

^ The well known term of 'sh*t show' is evident with our clueless leaders and the blinkers will have to come down soon.

But apparently its coming in 2035 and nothing can be done about it, be a part of it or.... something

[Murf the Surf]

I get government can regulate things, but something as big as transportation and individual needs makes it seem that supply and demand will be an issue. Government can force manufacturers to build EV's but it's difficult to force people to buy them. I guess I'm saying that there is a certain percentage of the population who don't care what they drive and they will buy what's available but there is also a significant group that are likely to not want to buy an EV. If car manufactures can't sell them what happens then?

[Alfisti]

There really is no debate in Canada, once governments let PHEV's in under the legislation them there's no issue, the regulations will be met. It really is that simple.